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CHARLES OSGOOD: Charlotte Rampling starred with Paul Newman in The Verdict back in 1982. But it was only with her most recent movie role that she won an Oscar nomination for best actress. With the Oscars are just five weeks away, here`s Anthony Mason with The Envelope Please.
(Begin VT)
ANTHONY MASON: In half a century on screen, she`s played opposite Paul Newman--
(Excerpt from The Verdict, 1982)
ANTHONY MASON: --Robert Redford--
(Excerpt from Spy Game, 2001)
ANTHONY MASON: --and Woody Allen, who cast her as his ideal beauty in Stardust Memories.
(Excerpt from Stardust Memories)
ANTHONY MASON: In Paris, where Charlotte Rampling has lived for most of her adult life, she`s known as La Legende, The Legend. A British actress at home in France, she`s never courted Hollywood, preferring the parts to come to her.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: It`s like a strange form of pride maybe, I don`t know what it is. Or maybe I`m just an old-fashioned girl and I like to be asked to dance, you know?
ANTHONY MASON: Uh-Huh.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Somebody is going to ask me to dance, always.
ANTHONY MASON: And you`re still dancing.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: And I`m still dancing.
ANTHONY MASON: This year, in the film 45 Years--
(Excerpt from 45 Years)
ANTHONY MASON: --about a marriage suddenly destabilized as the couple approach a landmark anniversary.
(Excerpt from 45 Years)
ANTHONY MASON: Rampling`s nuanced performance as the wife has earned the actress her first Academy Award nomination.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: That pleases me.
ANTHONY MASON: She`s one of twenty actor nominees this year, all white. The exclusion of black actors has prompted calls for an Oscar boycott. When Rampling called that "racist to whites" in remarks on Europe`s Radio 1 last week, the backlash was swift. "I regret that my comments could have been misinterpreted.," she said later in a statement to SUNDAY MORNING. "I simply meant to say that in an ideal world every performance will be given equal opportunities for consideration."
(Excerpt from The Night Porter)
ANTHONY MASON: Rampling has courted controversy before, most notoriously in the 1974 film, The Night Porter, when she played a concentration camp survivor who, after the war, resumes a sadomasochistic--
(Excerpt from The Night Porter)
ANTHONY MASON: --relationship with the Nazi officer who abused her.
You yourself have said Night Porter was a dangerous role.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Yeah. I realized it could be very explosive. But then at the same time, it was extremely exciting to feel that you could touch that.
ANTHONY MASON: And when you got the critical reaction you did?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: I was-- I was really blasted.
ANTHONY MASON: Many critics were disgusted. Pauline Kael called it "an insult to the people caught in the Holocaust." But the film became an art house hit.
(Excerpt from The Night Porter)
ANTHONY MASON: For a long time, and perhaps maybe even still to this day, that`s the image a lot of people still associate with you.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Yeah.
ANTHONY MASON: How do you feel about that?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: That means it`s a very strong image. If that`s what identifies me, then that`s fine by me.
ANTHONY MASON: You`re proud of it?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Yeah, I am.
ANTHONY MASON: It led to higher-profile films in the eighties. She played an attorney who double-crosses her lover, Paul Newman, in The Verdict.
You were actually punched by Paul Newman the action--
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: And then I fall.
ANTHONY MASON: Yeah. There`s something in your reaction to that`s really interesting.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Yeah, l love that moment actually.
(Excerpt from The Verdict, 1982)
ANTHONY MASON: Do you know what that is, that`s there?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: It`s the shame, the humiliation, and the acceptance.
ANTHONY MASON: In Stardust Memories, she played a neurotic actress.
(Excerpt from Stardust Memories)
ANTHONY MASON: But Rampling was battling her own demons. By the end of the decade she would suffer a nervous breakdown.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Depression is about stuff that you`ve just pushed down and down and down. Or not even pushed down. It`s just sitting there but it hasn`t been dealt with.
ANTHONY MASON: Did you reach a point where you were-- you felt just paralyzed?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Yeah. And you just can`t get out the door anymore.
ANTHONY MASON: What Rampling hadn`t dealt with was the death of her older sister, Sarah, who`d committed suicide in 1967.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: That was a big trigger because you have to push that down.
ANTHONY MASON: Yeah.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: I was twenty. You know, my mum was so devastated by grief she sort of was almost gone. So there I was, but you have to keep going.
ANTHONY MASON: Mm-Hm.
Rampling and her father kept the cause of Sarah`s death secret from her mother. "..And I always wondered if mom was protected by that pact or poisoned by the lie," Rampling writes in Qui Je Suis, `Who I Am` published in French last year. "It took me long spells in the wilderness before I shed my first tear, so as to finally become a woman relieved by pain, which had been too much contained."
You and your sister were very close.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: She was my, you know, closest friend. We were incredibly bonded.
ANTHONY MASON: Mm-Hm. You, kind of, had a singing group together.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Yeah. We did. And we got up and did this singing act where we sang these cute French songs, you know, we had the tights and the beret and the mac. You know, very French. And we were all the rage.
ANTHONY MASON: As she was wrestling with depression, Rampling`s twenty-year marriage to composer Jean-Michel Jarre was unraveling. She continued to work mostly in France, but otherwise stayed out of the public eye.
How long would you say that period lasted for you?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: I would say getting over ten years.
ANTHONY MASON: Really?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Mm.
ANTHONY MASON: Rampling re-emerged in 2000, in the French film Under the Sand, about a woman whose husband goes for a swim on vacation and vanishes. The wife can`t bear to confront her loss. When Rampling saw the final cut of the film, she had a revelation.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: A whole bell crashed in my head. I said this film is about Sarah, this is all about her.
ANTHONY MASON: A lot of people perceive it as a comeback film.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Well, it was a comeback in the sense of me coming through what we`ve just talked about. That`s the time I really realized I was ready to go out again.
(Excerpt from Spy Game, 2001)
ANTHONY MASON: The next year, she accepted a part in a Hollywood film, called Spy Game.
You took a film with Robert Redford because you saw there was something in the script you`d be able to do?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Yes. Just give him a kiss.
ANTHONY MASON: Was it worth it?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Which shows that I`m a fun lady. And it was worth it. We did it actually twice, because there was a little problem. And I was called back to do it. I`m not quite sure whether there really was a technical problem, or whether my presence had been demanded a second time.
ANTHONY MASON: She`s worked steadily since. In the film, 45 Years, as Kate Mercer, she confronts her husband about an old lover who haunts their marriage.
(Excerpt from 45 Years)
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: When I`m doing a scene, it`s the real feeling that I`m feeling. It`s not me playing at being Kate feeling that. It`s absolutely me feeling that in the instant, because I-- because I know what that feeling is like. I know what Kate`s feeling.
ANTHONY MASON: Now two weeks shy of seventy, Charlotte Rampling is resurging.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: Nice? You`re happy with me?
ANTHONY MASON: You don`t seem to be having problems getting parts.
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: I think older people now are really quite interesting. If 45 Years makes a bit of money, that will help, won`t it? They`ll say, oh, older people can make money.
ANTHONY MASON: You haven`t been asked to be in any superhero movies yet, have you?
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: I was asked to be Superman`s mother once. And I thought, no.
ANTHONY MASON: No? You didn`t want to be Superman`s--
CHARLOTTE RAMPLING: No. You could have been Superman, but not Superman`s mum.
(End VT)
(ANNOUNCEMENTS)
(Begin VT)
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: It is such an extraordinary privilege to have this job. And look, there are times where you get tired. There are times where you`re frustrated.
LEE COWAN: That you wonder why you did this?
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Absolutely. And yet, there has not been a day that I have not walked into the Oval Office and understood that at no point in my life will I ever had the chance to do as much good and make as much of a difference in the lives of people as I do right now. And that`s precious. And so I`m going to try to squeeze every last little bit of-- of good work that I can while I still have the chance.
If you`re looking for the world`s best cars and the workers who make those cars, you need to be in Detroit, Michigan.
LEE COWAN: The President`s visit to Detroit, where he toured the North American International Auto Show this past week came exactly a year to the day before his successor--whoever he or she may be--will move Into the White House, and the Obamas will move out.
LEE COWAN: So they sell you one of these things or-- or what?
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I tell you what, this is a spiffy car.
LEE COWAN: The President seems especially conscious of that calendar. He joked that the reason he came was to browse for a new car. After all, he`ll soon have to say goodbye to the one he`s using, which is a far cry, by the way, from any car, let alone the one he used to drive.
LEE COWAN: Do you remember the-- the first car you had? What did you have?
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The first car I drove was my grandfather`s Grenada, which was not a shining moment for Detroit. It was not a great car.
LEE COWAN: Not a great date car, either.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: It-- it-- it was not cool. I had to compensate in my coolness, given the fact that I was picking girls up in the Grenada.
LEE COWAN: Although he was all smiles, the trip had a serious message.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I could not be prouder of this industry and the road that we`ve traveled together.
LEE COWAN: Mister Obama has been struggling to communicate his successes heading into his last year in office, and the U.S. auto industry is one example. Both GM and Chrysler had record sales last year--a resurgence Mister Obama says was the result of the government bailout during the first year of his administration.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We cannot, and must not, and we will not let our auto industry simply vanish.
LEE COWAN: It wasn`t a popular idea; critics thought the new President was over-reaching, even cocky. But in hindsight, he says, that`s just what the economic crisis demanded.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I might have benefited from being young and a little brash and not being as scared as I probably should have been. You know, there was probably some benefit to me thinking, oh, we can-- we can fix this. And, yeah, we`ll figure it out.
LEE COWAN: By some measures Mister Obama did figure it out. He`s overseen shrinking unemployment, a growing job market--
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We are done.
CROWD (in unison): Yeah.
LEE COWAN: --a reduction in the number of Americans without health insurance and--
(Man #1 speaking foreign language)
LEE COWAN: --diplomatic breakthroughs on both climate policy and relations with Cuba. But his foes say those gains have been overshadowed by the rise of ISIS, the trouble in Syria--
MAN #2: --this active shooter situation is still underway.
LEE COWAN: --and terrorism at home. And what stands out even to his supporters has been his inability to be the unifying force that he had promised.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The one thing that gnaws on me is the degree of continued polarization. It has gotten worse over the last several years. And I think that in those early months my expectation was that we could pull the-- the parties together a little more effectively.
LEE COWAN: Do you wish, in hindsight, that maybe campaigning on that notion of changing the--
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Yeah.
LEE COWAN: --tone in Washington? Do you wish you hadn`t campaigned as hard on that promise?
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Well, here`s the thing: That`s what the American people believe. And that`s what I still believe.
(January 16th): I believe in change, because I believe in you--the American people. And that`s why I stand here confident as I have ever been that the State of our Union is strong.
LEE COWAN: His final State of the Union seemed an attempt to remind America that despite the exasperating negativity, the last seven years have not been as dismal, or dysfunctional, or as racially-divided as his critics maintain.
(Crowd protesting)
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: You know, when I hear people say, for example, in the aftermath of Ferguson and some of the other cases, that race relations have deteriorated, they are terrible, I have to say--well, maybe it`s just because I`m getting older--but they are not worse than they were after the Rodney King incident in L.A., and they are certainly not worse than they were back in the fifties or the sixties. But we forget.
(2007): I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States of America.
(Crowd cheering)
LEE COWAN: When he started his campaign for President, he was known less for his term in the Senate and more for a single speech that he gave at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There is not a liberal America, and a conservative America. There is the United States of America.
(Crowd cheering)
LEE COWAN: Few doubted his ability to stoke a crowd.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There`s a wind blowing out there.
LEE COWAN: In Iowa, the crowds started small.
(Crowd cheering)
LEE COWAN: But by the end of 2008, his rallies had grown to sometimes tens of thousands--a celebrity status that his rivals often used against his. His staff were mostly twenty-somethings, many of whom remain by his side today. A ride that, for them too, is about to come to an end.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Now they are in their early thirties and they are starting to have families, you know-- you know, got babies, and Uncle Barack`s holding them, playing with them on the floor of the White House. And-- and so I tell them, you know what? When we`re on Marine One and we`re flying and the Washington Monument`s over there and the Capitol`s in the background, look up from your smartphone for a second and think about this.
LEE COWAN: Does that still get to you?
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it-- it doesn`t-- it doesn`t get old.
LEE COWAN: If you could run for a third term, would you?
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: No. I wouldn`t. Number one, Michelle wouldn`t let me. You know, this is a big sacrifice, and a great privilege, but it takes a toll on family life. This is a process in which the office should be continually renewed by new energy and new ideas and new insights. And although I think I am as good of a President as I have ever been right now, I also think that there comes a point where you don`t have fresh legs. And you know, that`s where you start making mistakes. Or that`s when you start thinking that you are what`s important, as opposed to the mission being more important.
LEE COWAN: How much time do you wonder or spend thinking about what you have done might be undone if a Republican ends up in the White House?
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Well, you think about that. But what you discover when you`re President is that the institutions and programs and things that you have put in place and built, if you`ve done a good job and you`ve done them sensibly, you know, in some cases may need tinkering with, can be improved. But if they`re good things, they`re harder to undo than you think.
LEE COWAN: He admits there were policies under the Bush administration he disagreed with as a candidate, but once he viewed them from inside the Oval Office himself, he changed his mind.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a bunch of things that, you know, we do to fight terrorism that, before I was President, I might have questioned, that when I look at it really carefully I say, you know, on balance this is-- this is something that we need to do to keep us safe.
LEE COWAN: There is a lot he`ll miss about the job--Air Force One, for example, isn`t too shabby. But what he won`t miss is what he calls the bubble of the office.
Do you, when you`re out at stuff like this, I mean, can you-- can you really enjoy it? Or is it always, because everything that you`re at always becomes--
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: A scene.
LEE COWAN: --it`s an event. It`s a scene.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Right. Look, the-- the bubble is the hardest thing about the presidency. And I don`t think anybody with sense ever gets used to it. It`s the thing that makes me happiest about my tenure coming to an end.
LEE COWAN: Where the Obamas will live and what they may do post-White House are all matters of great speculation.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Fired up--
CROWD (in unison): Fired up.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: --ready to go.
CROWD (in unison): Ready to go.
LEE COWAN: But for now, the Senator who campaigned on being fired up and ready to go is now ready to see if history will be kind or not.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: And when I turn over the keys to the next occupant, one thing I`m confident about, and maybe why I don`t feel obliged to-- to yearn for a third term, is I`m very confident I`ll be able to say that things are a lot better now than they were when I came into office. And, you know, that`s a pretty good eight years` worth of work.
(End VT)
(ANNOUNCEMENTS)
CHARLES OSGOOD: Here`s a statistic worth noting. Nearly one hundred and twenty-two thousand Americans are on the waiting list for an organ donation. Also worth noting this public service announcement from Argentina, easily one of the best arguments we`ve seen for putting a name on that list.
(Excerpt from The Man and the Dog)
(ANNOUNCEMENTS)
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