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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We're live at CNN London. Thanks for being with us this hour. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Well, it is still a frantic rescue effort in Calcutta, India, and it's dark. The collapse of a bridge there has killed at least 22 people, dozens more are missing.
We now have video of the very moment it came down. You can see the cars driving across the busy road and then disaster strikes. The overpass had already been under construction for five years when it collapsed.
Our correspondent, Sumnima Udas, has arrived at the scene, at the collapse in Calcutta, and she joins me now live. Sumnima, tell us what's going on around you.
SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hala, I'm standing at the exact location where the overpass collapsed. Look at the scene over here. You can see an auto just underneath metal and concrete as well.
Over there, rescue workers are drilling right now trying to drill through what a huge slab of concrete. They believe there could still be survivors. They don't know right now, but they are frantically digging through all of this using heavy machinery, using cranes, using diggers, using cutters.
They've been here for the past 12 hours. We have the Army here. You've got the national disaster relief teams here. You've got the Calcutta police and also the border security force.
Hundreds of officials working around the clock trying to see if they can pull out any survivors and pull out several dead bodies while we've been standing here.
This was 100 meter, roughly about 100 meter shot of an overpass that was still under construction, but that was a part of a very long overpass that roughly about two kilometers or one mile long overpass.
A hundred meter chunk fell down here in this very crowded area. Locals say is normally under this overpass would be a lot of homeless people, a lot of street venders here as well selling all kinds of things, fruits, vegetables, (inaudible) as well.
This is one of the main trading hubs in Calcutta, very old part of town, a wholesale market as well. But officials right now say just because, you know, it's impossible to tell how many people could have been underneath that overpass when it collapsed. They have no way of knowing how many people could still be trapped underneath -- Hala.
GORANI: And, Sumnima, have they heard anyone? Has they established contact with anyone who might be trapped under all of that?
UDAS: Not at the moment from what we're hearing from most of the officials here. They are using cameras to sort on these long areas putting the cameras inside the rubble through the various cars that are here as well trying to see if they can find any survivors. So far, no survivors yet.
They have pulled out dead bodies and cars and at least two very mangled cars, and I don't know if you can see this, Hala, but right there, you can see the overpass that basically fell. This has been under construction for the past five to seven years.
And you've been seeing the video as well of how this collapse and eyewitnesses telling us it's just literally a few seconds and there was just very loud noise. There were so many people here.
But, again, officials having a very difficult time to figure out how many people could still be trapped underneath but they're doing what they can -- Hala.
GORANI: OK, Sumnima Udas is live in Calcutta, India, dramatic scenes there. Rescuers doing everything they can, but as Sumnima was saying, unfortunately, they are so far only dead bodies have been pulled out from under the rubble. Thank you, Sumnima.
[15:05:04]Now, let's turn our attention to the United States and politics. Once again, Republican frontrunner, Donald Trump is under fire. This time from all sides after making some pretty controversial comments about abortion and then, backtracking and changing his position.
Trump initially told the American network, MSNBC, that if abortions are banned, women who get abortions should be punished. That they should be subjected to, quote, "some form of punishment."
Then just hours later, he said that doctors performing illegal abortions should face punishment, not women. So reaction from his main rival on the Republican side, Ted Cruz, this is what he had to say.
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SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That comment was wrong and it really, it's the latest demonstration of how little Donald has thought about any of the serious issues facing this country.
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GORANI: All right. But Trump's comments are not turning everyone off, most of his supporters appear to be sticking by the frontrunner.
Let's bring in one of those supporters, Terra Grant, she's backing Trump for president. She joins me now live from Nashville, Tennessee.
So when you heard that comment by Donald Trump and answer to the question by Chris Matthews, women should be subjected to some form of punishment if they have an abortion if it becomes illegal. As a woman, your reaction to that?
TERRA GRANT, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: I think incredibly so, I heard the word if abortion is illegal, should there be some kind of punishment. And Donald Trump answered the question, as well as he could.
And Chris Matthews continued to go after him, continued to ask him, Donald Trump would go into an answer the question, Chris would cut him off yet again.
And so, anyone knows, if you abuse drugs in in the United States, if you commit murder in the United States, if you burglarize someone, it's a matter of breaking the law, and getting punished for it. And if abortion became illegal --
GORANI: But there's so many follow-ups I have on that. You're likening getting an abortion if it's ever banned to committing murder or dealing drugs?
And also why is the woman, why is the woman punished then in the very remote kind of like scenario that abortion then ends up being banned completely? Why not the practitioner, he did go back and said I actually meant the doctor.
GRANT: No, I agree, wholeheartedly that the practitioner or the doctor or whoever performs the abortion should be punished, absolutely, as well as the woman. The woman chose to have the abortion and for pro-life person, she is committing murder.
So, I mean, because you know, birth in life begins at conception, and so a lot of people would argue that she is committing murder if she's getting an abortion.
However, if it's illegal in the United States, yes, if it becomes illegal, it's a very hypothetical question. So if it's illegal, then she will be breaking the law by getting an abortion and there should be some type of punishment. Absolutely
GORANI: All right. Well, many people would disagree, John Kasich one of the Republican rivals of the Donald Trump in the race for the nomination had this to say about Donald Trump's comments on abortion, listen.
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JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It appears as though when he does these events and people press him, he becomes unmoored. And then has to spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to correct all the mistakes that he made. And I have to tell you, that as commander-in-chief, and leader of the free world, you don't get do overs. You need to get it right the first time.
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GORANI: So Terra, you heard what John Kasich had to say about Donald Trump, three positions in three hours, he's all over the place. If he's ever commander-in-chief, this is not how you're supposed to act. What's your reaction to that?
GRANT: Now, I even said this morning when I was being asked about it on Facebook, of course, you know, I get hit a lot on social media, what do you think about this, that, and of course, I mean, for me, I don't think necessarily that Donald Trump should have backtracked on necessarily what he said.
He spoke his mind. He said, if abortion is illegal in the United States, and a woman gets an abortion, this should be some time of punishment because she is committing a crime, if it's illegal.
However, the backtracking and all of that, me personally, as a Trump supporter, I think he did himself an injustice. Say, let your yes be yeses, nos be nos and stand on what you're saying. Stand on your principle.
I am all for if you change your mind, if you grow as a person, evolve as a person, go ahead and let that be your yes or let that be your no.
However, right now, I really did, last night when I started hearing that he sent out this statement and that statement, I thought, why is my candidate doing that?
[15:10:05]GORANI: Is that going to make you hesitant. Let me ask you about -- I'm going show our viewers a poll of women overall in the United States and their opinion of Donald Trump.
Conducted before these comments that were made to Chris Matthews, 74 percent of women in the United States, three quarters, have an unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump, 24 percent have a favorable opinion.
Are 74 percent of American women so completely misguided that they don't just don't get that Donald Trump is pro-woman that he's not offensive to women? Are they so misguided in your opinion?
GRANT: I would never say that about women as a whole. I think women, we are a beautiful creature. I think we are very, very smart and very intellectual. However, I do believe that the liberal media as a whole has gone after Donald Trump and they have taken small sound bites of things that he has interactions with women.
That he has had and they have blown that up and they have expounded on that and they have made him look very misogynistic or sexist or racist, they put him in the categories and people buy into that.
And women as a whole, we're very warm creatures. We love, we want people to love with us, and I really don't think the media is portraying Donald Trump as a warm person. So that really does, at some point, it does turn women off.
And I really do wish that Donald Trump would sit down and have one of those really in-depth conversations like he had with -- he had with a journalist, I think it was Sean Hannity that he sat down with.
And I thought wow, just to see him talk about his brother that passed, his mother and father, it was such an eye opening experience for me because I thought, now that's the Donald Trump that women would really fall in love with.
GORANI: All right, Terra Grant, I want to thank you for your time in Nashville, Tennessee, a Trump supporter there. Not turned off apparently by some of those comments made by Donald Trump. Thanks very much for your time this evening.
Now moving back to Europe, a Belgian court has cleared the way for Paris terror suspect, Salah Abdeslam, to be extradited to France. It is still unclear when that will happen.
Abdeslam is one of the ten men accused of carrying out the November attacks that killed 130 people. He was arrested in Brussels this month near his childhood home. Police believe he may be linked to the attackers in that city's recent bombings as well.
All right. Well, speaking of this terrorist group, ISIS, not who it inspires in Europe, but more the central character, the leader of the group. Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, known as the leader of the world's most brutal terrorist organization.
However, an ex-wife of the ISIS chief says when they were married, at least, he was a, quote, "normal family man." (Inaudible) spoke to the "Swedish Daily" expressing about their brief time together.
She says she left him after several months of marriage while she was pregnant with their daughter and was stunned, stunned, she says, to find out years later what he had become.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): He was great. He was a children's ideal father. The way he was with children, he was a teacher. You know how teachers are. He knew how to deal with children. Better than how to deal with the mother. I married a normal person, a university person.
It wasn't until afterwards that I found out he had changed his name and he was active. I didn't notice that he was active at all.
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GORANI: Well, I'm joined now by international diplomatic editor, Nic Robertson. Hello, Nic, thanks for being -- we heard a little bit, a snippet of what she said during that interview, what else -- what were the other highlights here?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, Saga Al-Dulaimi has found her and she's living in secret in Lebanon. She was in jail in in Lebanon. She was released by Lebanese authorities as a prisoner swap between al Qaeda al Nusra in Syria and Lebanese soldiers were exchanged.
But somehow she was also part of that prisoner swap. And I think as we look at her life, we get a better picture of it. She was from a relatively wealthy Iraqi family, relatively conservative family.
Her father, after her first husband died, her father married her off to this man she thought was a teacher and a lovely husband, but the man she was married to before was one of Saddam Hussein's body guards.
So, and in all likelihood, married her off to him as well previously. By the time she was married to him, there's every likelihood, we don't know, and she doesn't go into detail.
There's a strong responsibility that he was already fighting against -- we don't have per se the specific dates, but then if you look at what happens to her father, he leaves Iraq goes to Syria and lives in Damascus and is now in jail for being connected to Al Nusra.
[15:15:11]You know the questions that are raised here, how come she gets released as part of an al Qaeda prisoner swap deal? She's clearly a value to them in some way. Otherwise, she wouldn't be released and here's her father, whose been essentially marrying her off --
GORANI: But should we believe what she's saying. Here she is, talking to -- first of all, why is it in her interest at all to speak to the press at this stage?
ROBERTSON: Well, she is saying that she wants to leave -- number one, she's afraid that her former husband will come after her and take away their 7-year-old daughter. And it was when she became pregnant with that daughter that she decided to run away and leave him, despite that she was such a wonderful father type figure.
But she decided she wasn't in love with him and she was going to leave him at that point. What she's saying now is she wants to take the family. She's got a new husband, she's got three other children.
She wants the family to leave the Middle East and go and live in Europe. She wants them to have an education. She doesn't --
GORANI: Why did she leave this Baghdadi, this was in 2009 if he was such a wonderful family man?
ROBERTSON: It is before he becomes the head of --
GORANI: But he was still active in the insurgency clearly at that point.
ROBERTSON: Clearly, and at that time the insurgency was an al Qaeda-based insurgency as well. We see her father apparently has tied with al Qaeda. She still has value to al Qaeda. And there were a lot of questions here about -- about her narrative.
She says she wants to move to Europe. This is why she's speaking out, but, what's the (inaudible) motive? Perhaps she doesn't feel safe. She says she's worried he's going to come after the family and take her daughter away.
GORANI: I'm not sure what European country would be happy to welcome her unless they thought she had some sort of intelligence?
ROBERTSON: You know, she was asked about her opinions on the Brussels attack and she said it's terrorism, I hate terrorism, I dislike it, but you know, there were just fundamental questions about her narrative. I mean, by the time she married him, Baghdadi had already been in U.S. custody for almost a year, then released --
GORANI: In 2006.
ROBERTSON: In 2004, yes, 2004.
GORANI: OK, I'm being yelled at. We have to leave it there. Fascinating conversation. All right, thank you, Nic Robertson as always. Still to come tonight, a bad week for Brazil's president, Dilma Rouseff. Gets even worse, we'll explain why.
And it was a century's old law that the FBI was using to compel Apple to unlock the iPhone of the San Bernardino gunman. We now know they were using that same law in cases of at least 20 states. Details coming up.
And the award winning architect, (inaudible), famed for many designs including London's Aquatics Center has died. We will had much more on that story later in the program.
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GORANI: Well, a bad week for the Brazilian president, Dilma Rousseff just got a whole lot worse with just over four months to the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro. Her sports minister has resigned.
But that is just the tip of a rather large political iceberg, already this week the country's largest party pulled out of her coalition as calls grow for her impeachment over a corruption scandal.
Let's get the latest, Shasta Darlington is live in the capital, Brasilia. I've got to ask you, Shasta, people are asking, how is Dilma Rousseff still holding on at this point?
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, she's a very tough lady. She's come out on numerous occasions says she is not going to give up. She's going to fight this to the very end. That could mean months and months of political wrangling.
She's have to defend herself and in the Senate against an impeachment proceeding if it comes to that. Right now what we're seeing is many of her supporters, supporters of the Workers Party and of her predecessor, former president, President Lula Da Silva gathering across the capital here in Brasilia and a number of other cities in the country to show their support.
To show that even though coalition parties are dropping out, the sports minister has stepped down, that there is still thousands and thousands of Brazilians willing to take to the street to show their support for a party that they feel has done so much for the country's poorest.
We've just talked to some people who told us, listen, we are against corruption, but first of all, all politicians feel and second of all, nobody has done for the lowest classes here what the Workers Party has done and we're not going to give up on them. That's what they are trying to show today.
We're standing in front of the Congress where they're debating whether to open and really go ahead with this impeachment proceedings. We're going to see a very large concentration here a little later today with again these government supporters saying they will fight this tooth and nail.
That Dilma Rousseff has not been implicated in any corruption scandals that they're trying to nail her on really a technicality for allegedly breaking budgetary laws and won't stand for it, Hala.
Of course, we've seen other protests of anti-government groups, this could be a back and forth for months to come -- Hala.
GORANI: OK. Shasta Darlington in Brasilia, we'll see if it last months indeed or if Dilma Rouseff is impeached before then.
Speaking of corruption scandals, South African President Jacob Zuma is also under pressure to resign over a series of scandals there. Today he was dealt a pretty significant blow.
The country's highest court ruled that he violated the constitution when he used millions of dollars in state money for questionable upgrades on his private home. CNN's David McKenzie has more.
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DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The final judgment was uncompromising, damning of embattled president, Jacob Zuma.
MOGAENG MOGAENG, CHIEF JUSTICE, SOUTH AFRICA: The president has failed to uphold, defend, and respect the constitution as the supreme law of the land.
MCKENZIE: Calling this a profound lesson for South Africa's young democracy, the unanimous ruling said that both scandal ridden Zuma and the country's parliament acted illegally saying they ignored order of the government's own anticorruption watchdog for Zuma to pay back a portion of the $15 million in state funds he spent on his private homestead in the area.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May we ask the president as to when he is going to pay in terms of what the public protector has said.
MCKENZIE: For years, payback the money was the opposition rallying cry. The results in parliament often ugly and embarrassment to ordinary South Africans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do you think I should pay back the money? Don't even know how much.
MCKENZIE: And throughout, Zuma ignored the calls. A parliamentary and police inquiry found that he had done nothing wrong. That the chicken coop, amphitheater, even the swimming pool additions had a security purpose.
But opposition leaders have long said that Zuma has ridden rough shot of the South Africa's constitution. Now the courts back them up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The president as we've maintained acted outside the prescribed of law and as a great opportunity now, we begin the process of impeaching the president.
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MCKENZIE: Both the president and ruling ANC say they will respect the judgment, but they need more time to reflect. For any impeachment vote to succeed, the party will need to turn on its president. David McKenzie, CNN, Johannesburg, South Africa.
GORANI: Quick peek at what's going on, on Wall Street, the Dow Jones right now is slightly lower losing 12 points at 17,704. Here's a look at the other major indices, the Nasdaq and the S&P a little bit of a mixed picture there. Not much in the way of movements. And European markets, it was a negative picture across the board. Nothing too dramatic, however.
[15:25:04]Just days ago, the FBI confirmed it was able to hack into the iPhone of San Bernardino gunman, Siad Farook, without the help from Apple, which it had requested.
Following that, the bureau has received other request for assistance and on Wednesday, it reported they agreed to help an Arkansas prosecutor unlock two Apple devices, an iPhone 6 and iPad they say could hold evidence in a murder case.
It has also been revealed that U.S. federal agents are quietly trying to apply the same law that they used in the San Bernardino case against Apple to try to force Apple and Google to unlock phones in at least 20 states. That law dates back from the 1700s.
For more, Samuel Burke joins me now from New York with more. Tell us how they are able, or at least trying, to use an 18th Century lock to try to force tech companies to unlock devices.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: They're definitely trying and trying in very many states according to the American Civil Liberties Group here in the United States. The American Civil Electrics Union rather, they've been pouring over federal court records.
And the math you're seeing, blue represents the places, states where Apple is being compelled them to open up phones. Red represents states where Google is trying to be compelled to open up phones, that's of course the state of Oregon there over and red purple represents states where both Apple and Google are trying to be compelled to open up these phones.
So, so many times we heard the argument was that this was just about this one phone in San Bernardino, but what we're seeing it's really in so many different states, in 63 different instances.
We've been speaking with Google to try and figure out what they have been compelled or at least the government is trying to compel to open and this is what Google told us in a statement, Hala.
A spokesperson saying the following, "We carefully scrutinize subpoenas and court orders to make sure they meet both the letter and spirit of the law. However, we've never received an All Writs Act order like the one Apple recently fought that demands we build new tools that actively compromised our product security, we would strongly object to such, to such an order."
Basically what we believe that means is that while Google may have had requests and Google tells us that many times they reach routinely comply with law enforcement, they may have been able to hand over pass words for instance because their Android devices may not have the level of encryption that Apple devices have.
So they may not have had to build new code the way that Apple was going to be compelled to possibly because the security might be lower on a lot of these Android phones so they're handing over something, but maybe not to the degree that Apple may have had to hand over a code.
GORANI: And meantime, are we learning more about the third party that helped the U.S. government get into the San Bernardino iPhone?
BURKE: We are not sure what company it was, but we do know for sure that it was some type of private company. The United States state government didn't say we're relying on our own technology. They've said we are relying on an outside party.
And that concerns a lot of people because if it is a private company, they may not just sell the code to the United States, it could be other governments. There are companies around the world like this.
(Inaudible), for instance, has been go-to company that has FBI has used. This is an Israeli technology company that boasts that it is a group that helps governments all around the world. It's owned by a Japanese corporation.
And this case where a lot of people have concerns if they're selling it to the United States, are they selling code to other governments, maybe more authoritarian governments. These are the concerns groups like the ACLU have.
GORANI: All right. It's the digital battleground of the 21st Century, thanks very much. Samuel Burke in New York.
A lot more to come, a powerful act that hits the campaign trail for Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill. We'll see how the Democratic race for the White House is heating up in New York. A lot of delegates at stake there.
World leaders take on the threat of nuclear terrorism. We'll take you to Washington. There's a nuclear security summit there, an important event for Barack Obama. We will be right back.
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GORANI: Welcome back, our top stories rescuers are searching for the missing in the dark of night in the Indian city of Calcutta.
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GORANI: The collapse of an overpass there has killed at least 22 people. These are some of the dramatic scenes coming to us to from India. Dozens more are missing. The bridge had been under construction for five years when it gave way.
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GORANI: Also among our top stories, Brazil's sports minister has resigned just months before the country hosts the summer politics.
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GORANI: The resignation of George Hilton is the latest setback for President Dilma Rousseff. She is facing growing calls for impeachment and lost backing for the biggest political party.
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GORANI: An ex-wife of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is speaking out about their brief time together as husband and wife.
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GORANI: She says that when they were married back in 2008, he was a, "normal family man." Saja al-Dulaimi told the Swedish Daily Express that she left him after a few months while pregnant with their daughter.