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MARIA BARTIROMO, FBN HOST: (HEADLINES)
Here to break it all down with us this morning, FOX Business Network's Dagen McDowell; Rhino Trading Partner's Michael Block; and, FOX News Contributor Georgette Mosbacher. Good to see everybody; thanks so much for being here.
On to the campaign trail we go. Our top story: with Tuesday's results in the books, candidates look ahead to the primaries in Florida, Ohio, Illinois, North Carolina and Missouri. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, both with commanding leads over the rest of the field but a lot can change next Tuesday. 358 delegates are up for grabs for the republicans. Democrats are looking to capture 691 delegates. Peter Barnes in Washington D.C. this morning with the latest; Peter, good morning to you.
PETER BARNES, FBN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning Maria. Well last night a bid debate in Miami between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton; and Sanders coming into the debate with a bit more swagger after his huge upset win in Michigan this week. He clashed with Hillary Clinton over the key issue of immigration, which weighs heavily on the minds of Florida voters.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT) DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I said welcome those children into this country. Secretary Clinton said send them back. That's the difference.
HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY) DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He voted in the House with hardline Republicans for indefinite detention for undocumented immigrants.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BARNES: Clinton was also asked about the FBI's investigation into her email.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MODERATOR: If you get indicted will you dropout?
CLINTON: Oh for goodness - that is not going to happen. I'm not even answering that question.
[Cheering]
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BARNES: Polls show Clinton with a commanding lead in Florida. The "Real Clear Politics" average of pulse today has Clinton at 62-percent and Sanders at 30.5-percent; but, then again, the polls showed Clinton way ahead of Sanders in Michigan before Tuesday. Maria?
BARTIROMO: All right, Peter; thanks so much. Peter Barnes with the latest there.
Donald Trump may be leading the pack for Republicans but that is not stopping the entire field from making their case on FOX News last night, headed in to Tuesday's primaries.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R) REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I was a member of the establishment nine months ago; right? I was - who was better at it than me? I was great at it, but I also saw it was wrong and politicians will do what's right for the people that gave them the money not what's right for the country.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got a lit - it got a little dirty on the campai - - you got a little naughty out on the campaign trail.
MARCO RUBIO (R-FL) REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, first of all, that's not who I am and --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know what I'm talking about; right?
RUBIO: Let me say -
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A little bit?
RUBIO: You know, I would do it differently; I really would. The reason -- my kids were embarrassed by it. My wife didn't like it. I don't think it reflects good. That's not who I am. That's not what my campaign is going to be about or will ever be about.
[Cheering]
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you regret that?
RUBIO: Yes, I would do it differently; I would.
TED CRUZ (R-TX) REPUBLICAN DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: They attack other candidates and they attack their integrity.
This particular e-mail apparently came from a volunteer in Hawaii, not affiliated with the campaign, not working for the campaign, not under authorization for the campaign. We have over 200,000 volunteers across the country. I cannot control, nor do I want to control what 200,000 volunteers do.
GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH) REPUBLICAN DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: We're going to win Ohio, that's not even a question for me. It's about what we do after that and all the places we have to go; but we are not taking it for granted. I am working hard there now and so are all the team, our team out there. I'll go down for the debate and I'll be living in Ohio and all over the state, which is what I always do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BARTIROMO: And we're joined right now by Republican Strategist Angela McClellan, from Washington D.C., and here in the studio Democratic Strategist and FOX News Contributor Julie Roginsky. Ladies, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining the conversation.
Julie, let me kick it off with you, your thoughts and reaction to that debate last night?
JULIE ROGINSKY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR & DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, it got contentious; right? I mean, for the first time you really saw that these two don't really much like each other anymore. Obviously I think the Michigan loss startled the Clinton campaign and I think she felt she needed to go very strongly at Senator Sanders. He has come a very long way from saying I don't care about this email scandal, from the first debate. I mean, he's coming at her. He senses a weakness. He understands that he needs to perform well in Ohio. He certainly will not win Florida next week, but he needs to perform well in Ohio to keep going and he understands this is his last chance to --
ANGELA MCCLELLAN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: But she's weak. She's weak. I mean, Michigan actually demonstrated how weak she is. Now, she won Mississippi; you know, I'm from Mississippi and a lot of African-Americans supported Hillary. But if you look at Michigan, which she was ahead in the polls, Peter Barnes just said, she lost amongst African-Americans. They're supporting Bernie. Unions are supporting Bernie. Young women are supporting Bernie. Young people are supporting Bernie. So she's a weak candidate.
ROGINSKY: Well she actually won among African-American's in Michigan, just not as hugely as she won in Mississippi.
MCCLELLAN: They were supporting her; okay. She lost. She lost. I mean, if they go to Bernie, if any Black goes to Bernie Sanders, Hillary is weak.
BARTIROMO: Well, I guess there is an argument to be made, but she still is in the lead; let's face it. He is certainly getting a run for the money, but she is still leading. Thoughts on the panel; Georgette?
GEORGETTE MOSBACHER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well these are big industrial states next Tuesday -
BARTIROMO: Yes.
MOSBACHER: -- which are -- the demographics are similar to Michigan, and I think it is going to be interesting. If it is about the angry white men again, it is going to be interesting to see if she can hold -- she can bring out enough minorities, and these aren't high minority states. So this is going to be interesting to see how Bernie does here.
ROGINSKY: Don't forget that she's essentially emulating the Obama Coalition from `08. The tables are really turned and Obama won the very people that she's winning. Bernie's winning the people that she used to win. So Obama won in 2008. I'm pretty confident - look, she walked out of last week, or last Tuesday with more delegates than Bernie Sanders did. That's what we all forget; she's still walked out with a lot more delegates.
MCCLELLAN: Well she started with more delegates, Julie.
ROGINSKY: Even with the pledged delegates she walked out -- Super Delegates aside she walked out with a lot more pledged delegates than Bernie did, by a lot more.
MCCLELLAN: That's true. That's true.
MOSBACHER: And she's got the Super Delegates which really makes the difference. I mean it tips the scale.
BARTIROMO: Yes, it sure does.
DAGEN MCDOWELL, FBN CORRESPONDENT: She's having the same problem on trade that the more - the establish republican politicians are having. Bernie and Donald Trump really are appealing to the same people who see the manufacturing industry in this country has been decimated by trade; and she will never able to extricate herself from NAFTA. It is her husband and her and NAFTA.
BARTIROMO: Yes.
MCDOWELL: And I don't know how she talks her way out of that one. That's a huge thing hurting in the Rust Belt, in Michigan. You can see it hitter in Ohio.
ROGINSKY: It is, but in the general election, which is what she's towards right now, I think she assumes she would be the nominee, does it hurt her or (inaudible) chambers of commerce or people along those lines who would typically vote for republicans say either we're staying home because we've got a protectionist republican nominee or potentially --
MCCLELLAN: Inside the beltway, --
ROGINSKY: -- even hold their vote; no one is going vote for her?
MCCLELLAN: Inside the beltway it is rumored, Julie, that she is going to be indicted. I mean, for her to have -
ROGINSKY: Well, the beltway never has good rumors.
[Laughter]
MCCLELLAN: Oh, yes they do. Oh, yes they do. There is no coincidence in life and there is no coincidence here in Washington D.C. You know that.
BARTIROMO: How does she -
MCCLELLAN: She has a problem.
BARTIROMO: How did she do with that answer, basically saying, look, I'm not even going to answer that question?
MOSBACHER: She sounded pretty confident.
BARTIROMO: Yes, she sure did. She sure did.
MOSBACHER: Like maybe she knows something all of us don't know.
MCDOWELL: Well that would be -
MOSBACHER: I mean, very confident.
ROGINSKY: Well what did guys expect to see? Yes, you might get indicted; let me think about Plan B.
MCCLELLAN: No. No, but -
BLOCK: Hold on. Hold on.
BARTIROMO: She doesn't want to use the word, by the way.
MICHAEL BLOCK, CHIEF STRATEGIST, RHINO TRADING PARTNERS: Let's - let's - hang on, Angela, I'll take your bait here. What if she does get indicted? Does the DNC just sit by and say, well, Bernie's the man now? What really happens here?
MCCLELLAN: No.
ROGINSKY: I think -
MCCLELLAN: No.
ROGINSKY: I think you guys are thinking about a Hail Mary proposition that nobody at the DNC believes.
BARTIROMO: I agree.
ROGINSKY: Look, there's just no way. I mean, --
MCCLELLAN: They don't want to believe it. They don't want to believe it.
BARTIROMO: What about the RNC? Yes, go ahead, Michael.
BLOCK: So, Angela, if we should believe that what happens at the democratic nomination? Does it just go to Bernie or does someone else come in? What do you think about this, since you're talking about this?
MCCLELLAN: Well the rumor is that Biden, --
BLOCK: Okay.
MCCLELLAN: -- people still want Biden.
BARTIROMO: Still Biden, huh?
MCCLELLAN: So, let's just see what happens.
[Cross Talk]
MOSBACHER: -- as vice president he doesn't worry about having to file an increase date.
ROGINSKY: So let's take the bait: what happens first, Angela, Eric Schneiderman, in New York, indicts Trump for Trump University or she gets indicted on emails? Both are not happening.
MCCLELLAN: See, we are not talking about Trump getting indicted.
[Cross Talk]
MCCLELLAN: -- that's what liberals do, the deflect. We're talking about Hillary. We're not talking about Trump; okay?
BARTIROMO: Well let's talk about Trump and the GOP going into Tuesday for a moment, because this is the final big contest. How do you see it playing out, Angela?
MCCLELLAN: Maria, only a little over 12 million of the votes out; okay, and Trump has 4 million of those. Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, they share the 8 million. Only half the delegates are out. Now, the bottom line is more than likely we are going to a brokered convention. But, I think that Cruz can win North Carolina, with the evangelicals. I think that Cruz can win Missouri and Kasich is going to take Ohio. So, you know, it is not over yet.
I think that --
MOSBACHER: But Cruz has not been successful with the evangelicals. I mean, it has been really quite stunning.
BARTIROMO: Amazing that Trump is getting the evangelicals.
MOSBACHER: Amazing, and no one can figure this out. I have yet to hear someone explain to me why they're going to Trump, and they are. So I think Cruz - I don't know what his -
BARTIROMO: Part of the story is what you mentioned, Dagen; its trade and immigration. These two issues are ripping the party apart. Top story in "The Journal" by the way, "Opposition to Free Trade Gaining Ground in Both Political Parties Making Passage of the Pacific Trade Deal This Year Less Likely". TPP not going to happen right now.
MCDOWELL: And all - and your social issues fall away when it's about the economy.
MCCLELLAN: Right.
BARTIROMO: Yes.
MCDOWELL: When it's about the economy and jobs -- people across the South feel like they've been ignored by the Republican Party for 30 some-odd years.
[Cross Talk]
MCCLELLAN: Now, Dagen, in Mississippi, evangelicals did support Trump but some are still going to Cruz. Now the reason why they are supporting Trump is about jobs. It's about jobs and the economy.
MCDOWELL: Right but it -
[Cross Talk]
ROGINSKY: What is astounding to me is they are supporting a thrice divorced man who used to be for partial-birth abortion -
MCCLELLAN: Obama.
ROGINSKY: -- on every issue that is (inaudible) to them.
MCCLELLAN: Obama.
ROGINSKY: Obama? I'm talking about the evangelical -
MCCLELLAN: Yes.
ROGINSKY: -- supporting Trump. So, you know, that to me is a mystery, what is going on right now; whereas Ted Cruz has very pure bonafedes on social issues and nevertheless he's losing these guys.
MCDOWELL: You know what? Again it's the establishment reading the voter incorrectly -
MOSBACHER: Agreed.
MCDOWELL: -- because they don't care. They are not judging - you know, a person with a Christian heart doesn't judge another person's past.
MCCLELLAN: Exactly.
MCDOWELL: They take him on his - take Trump on his word and they just don't care about what is done in the past. They care about jobs coming back to the United States.
BARTIROMO: And all roads lead to jobs: on trade, on immigration, it all leads to jobs --
MCCLELLAN: Exactly.
BARTIROMO: -- and this fear that foreigners are taking jobs; trade deals are putting the American jobs at risk. There you go.
Angela, good to see you; thanks so much for joining us. July Roginsky, always a pleasure. Thank you, ladies; we will see you soon.
Still to come, torrential downpours and massive flooding striking the South, leaving at least three people dead. We've got the latest for you. Then, Twitter looking to stem the tide of brain-drain, sweetening the pot for its employees. I'll tell you all about it; back in a minute.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BARTIROMO: Welcome back. A massive manhunt under way after a deadly ambush in a Pittsburgh suburb. Dagen McDowell with the details and the other headlines; Dagen?
MCDOWELL: Thank you, Maria. (HEADLINES) And, you throw them cash to keep them inside the company. "The Wall Street Journal" reporting that Twitter is offering additional restricted stock and cash bonuses to employees to prevent further staff departures; this is after four top executives left the company in January. The biggest leadership changes since Jack Dorsey returned as chief executive last fall. The amount of restricted stock granted will depend on the length of employment. And, also, the "The Journal" is reporting that the company has been offering cash bonuses to some since the fall, ranging from $50,000 to $200,000 as the incentive to keep them around for another six months to a year.
What is interesting in this story, guys, and feel free to jump in - all right, so the stocks down, lost almost two thirds of its value in the last year. Twitter is making restricted stock grants to make up the value that the employees lost with the stock decline. Are you chuckling?
BLOCK: Well, yes; I'm sitting here looking at a chart and I'm seeing a 52 week high of $52 and now here we are below 18. It's like, hey, great entry point. Good job, Jack. So that is what is going on.
BARTIROMO: They have to do something.
MOSBACHER: Right.
BARTIROMO: And the fact the stock is down, maybe, is having some -- suggesting some employees are getting in a good price. Maybe that's the sales pitch here.
BLOCK: Yes.
MCDOWELL: It is off the lows and it's also going to - its off the lows, hit early - off the 52-week low -
BLOCK: Sure.
MCDOWELL: It's also going to force other technology companies that are also struggling, like LinkedIn, just to name one, it's going to force them to do the same thing.
BARTIROMO: Right.
BLOCK: This is all well and good. You know, they are going to be competing more with some of these unicorn type companies once they're viable businesses. The problem with Twitter, over and over again, is how do they better monetize all these eyeballs they're getting? Everybody loves - it's funny; people love using Twitter. How do they monetize it like Facebook does? Facebook was left for dead a couple of years ago and look at that stocks done. The price has more than quintupled.
MOSBACHER: They need to figure this out. I mean, they've had time to figure it out.
BLOCK: Clock's ticking.
MOSBACHER: And the fact that they haven't, you can understand why they are getting brain-drain.
BARTIROMO: It also speaks to the broader brain-drain going on, I mean, this skills gap that we have. You know, people are really in - companies are in need of good talent and they're looking at all sorts of perks. We have spoken, over the last year, about paternity leave, maternity leave, a whole year that -
MOSBACHER: Exactly.
BARTIROMO: What was the company that gave an entire year? As much time as you want off.
MOSBACHER: What company was that? I'm going to
BARTIROMO: No, no, no. We talked about this; I'm going to remember this.
MCDOWELL: Was that Netflix? I'll look it up.
BARTIROMO: Yes.
MCDOWELL: I'll bring you an update that, but it's the haves and have-nots. Companies that are in really strong financial positions, like a Facebook, like a Netflix, like a Google, they can offer the world to employees and then it puts pressure on companies that are struggling, like Twitter, for example. Twitter has got to -- why hasn't Twitter sold yet is the question? Are they trying to keep people in the door?
BLOCK: Who wants it? Who needs it? Who can monetize it?
BARTIROMO: How do they monetize, exactly.
BLOCK: They see it and they say, you know what -
BARTIROMO: Good idea, but -
BLOCK: We don't see how the revenue comes from this; we are going to wait. This isn't the right price. Everything has its time and price. Maybe someone at Google is looking at this and saying, hey, you know what, 18 is fine; 8 would be better. 8 is worth a gamble. Everything is time and price, when you're talking about Greek real estate or companies like this.
BARTIROMO: Yes, but that is the question: why hasn't been sold yet? All right, we're going to take a quick break and then coming up next a massive explosion caused by a natural gas leak in Seattle yesterday. The city's plan to rebuild that damaged next; and, health care reform a top issue for voters in this year's election. We're breaking down each candidate's plan to change America's health care system. Stay with us; back in a moment.
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BARTIROMO: Welcome back; a natural gas explosion ripping through a small Seattle neighborhood early Wednesday. Surrounding businesses are picking up pieces today. FOX Q13 reporter Tom Yazwinski with the details.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TIM PIPES, WITNESSED EXPLOSION: We could have died, easy.
TOM YAZWINSKI, FOX REPORTER: Tim Pipes witnessed the massive explosion from across the street, in this bar, "The Angry Beaver".
PIPES: Hands down, in my mind, if there was one person out front smoking a cigarette, even just standing out there getting a gulp of fresh air, they'd be dead, for absolute sure, 100-percent.
YAZWINSKI: Aa force so powerful it shattered his windows and knocked a drywall from the ceiling.
PIPES: At the time you have no clue in your head. All we knew, right off the bat, it was a bomb. I mean, it was that furious; it was that forceful.
YAZWINSKI: Then chaos. Firefighters responded to a report of a natural gas leak just after one this morning, near Greenwood Avenue North and North 85th Street. As crews search for the source of the leak, the explosion ripped through Neptune Coffee, Greenwood Quikstop and Mr. Gyro's. To give you this, look at photos from above, debris scattered all over the place.
Kind of a shock to come to, for sure.
Chris Macon and the staff at "Chaco Canyon Organic Caf‚" are picking up shattered glass. the blast across the street blew out every window.
MACON: There's an explosion that big in the middle of the day here, with the bus stop there; people here; people on the streets, people and businesses; we'd be looking at a whole lot of death here right now.
YAZWINSKI: Seattle fire investigators ruled the explosion accidental, but still don't know what ignited the natural gas. The Utilities Transportation Commission and the Seattle Fire Department are interviewing witnesses and inspecting gas lines
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will be doing a post (inaudible) analysis and so what we'll do is, we'll look at this entire incident and figure out what can we learn from it.
YAZWINSKI: A crew with the NTSB will arrive tomorrow to help in the investigation. The City today pledged help for the neighborhood to rebound and rebuild.
MACON: At the end of the day stuff is replaceable; buildings can be built; you know; but lives are precious.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BARTIROMO: Our thanks to Tom Yazwinski with that report. Coming up next, the battle in the Sunshine State heating up. Why the latest polls have Senator Rubio losing his home state despite what he says. And, show me the money; big names cashing in on huge contracts as NFL Free Agency kicks off. We'll take a look at the winners and losers next.
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BARTIROMO: Good morning; welcome back. Happy Thursday; it is Thursday, March 10th. Your top stories now at 6:30 a.m. on the East Coast: (HEADLINES). The republican presidential candidates making their closing arguments for the five states set to vote Tuesday; of course, the major prize Florida. That is where we find FOX News' John Roberts right now, in Miami. John, good morning to you.
JOHN ROBERTS, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Maria, good morning to you. This could be a very big debate for Marco Rubio because if he loses his home state of Florida on Tuesday it's not going to be good news for him. In a new FOX News poll, out late yesterday, shows Donald Trump with a 23-point lead over Rubio here. You know, if you're Marco Rubio, you know things are not going well when the whole narrative surrounding your campaign is whether or not you're going to drop out.
Rubio likes to say on the stump that, hey, I know how to win. Back in 2010, when I came from behind to beat Charlie Crist in the republican primary; but here's the naked truth about that. Marco Rubio is not 20 points behind Charlie Crist five days before the election. With all the speculation swirling over whether or not Marco Rubio might drop out before Tuesday rather than face a potentially humiliating defeat. In Florida, in his home state, Rubio says he insists he's staying in.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That is 100 percent categorically false. I have never discussed dropping out with anyone on my team or anyone on the planet earth. It is not going -- or anyone in any planet for that matter. I am not dropping out of this race.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ROBERTS: Meanwhile, the Trump campaign where it's raining pennies from heaven all of the time it seems, it's all sunshine and light over there particularly after his three big wins on Tuesday, Trump hoping to go score a knockout on Rubio on Tuesday, and also put some distance between himself Ted Cruz in the delegate count.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And I am leading lying Ted Cruz, I am leading him, big lead with the Evangelicals. I love the Evangelicals. Lying Ted was supposed to win Mississippi. He was supposed to win Alabama, but they don't like liars.
Little Marco, I would say, I think he's gone. They hate him in Florida. I want to tell you in Florida he doesn't show up to vote and he has the worst voting record in the last 15, 20 years.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ROBERTS: You know, Maria, when you look at the trajectory of the Rubio campaign, he really has been going downhill ever since he decided that he was going to launch those attacks against Donald Trump.
Mocking his spray tan, talking about the size of his hands, and all of that. A lot of people even Senator Oren had said, it just didn't seem presidential. Rubio already looks young and that made him look even younger.
So if there was a turning point in this campaign, that may have been a huge strategic mistake for Marco Rubio.
BARTIROMO: It's unbelievable how the things that Trump says and has said in this campaign have stuck low energy with Jeb Bush.
ROBERTS: There was a good metaphor that I heard somebody use. Donald Trump is kind of like Godzilla. You know, the forces are against him, well, kind funnelled him into that he walks into the high tension power lines, but when he hits the power lines and he bites on them instead of dying, he gets more powerful.
BARTIROMO: You're right.
ROBERTS: How do you go after somebody who is like that?
BARTIROMO: You're right. The pope -- it's just -- yes. Agreed. John, thank you.
ROBERTS: Everything.
BARTIROMO: Amazing. John Roberts in Miami this morning. Presidential candidates remain split on the issue of health care reform meanwhile.
On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton aims to continue the policies set by President Obama. While rival, Bernie Sanders, is saying American health care should be (inaudible) and made into a single payer system.
On the other side, most Republican candidates are looking to dismantle Obamacare entirely. Joining me right now, Universal Health Services' chairman and CEO, Alan Miller. Alan, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us. Actually, Obamacare has been a positive.
ALAN MILLER, UNIVERSAL HEALTH SERVICES CHAIRMAN AND CEO: It's been good.
BARTIROMO: Yes, for your company.
MILLER: Basically they covered many more people who had no coverage. So somewhere between 10 million and 20 million people, which reduces our bad debt. We get people like pay for services so that's good.
BARTIROMO: What are you expecting in terms of how this may change?
MILLER: And there is a lot of good things in Obamacare. More people are covered. People cannot be refused for pre-existing condition. A lot of good things. The problem is how do you pay for it and that's where we are. I think that will have to be dealt with later on, but basically it's got a lot of good things, a lot of people like it. Certainly the people that have been covered like it.
