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U.S. Auto Industry Failure Could Be 'Catastrophic'
By Tom Krisher and Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writers
Manufacturing.Net - November 13, 2008

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DETROIT (AP) -- Advocates for the nation's automakers are warning that the collapse of the Big Three -- or even just General Motors -- could set off a catastrophic chain reaction in the economy, eliminating up to 3 million jobs and depriving governments of more than $150 billion in tax revenue.

Industry supporters are offering such grim predictions as Congress weighs whether to bail out the nation's largest automakers, which are struggling to survive the steepest economic slide in decades.

"We've got to do this because the cost of inaction is so high to communities, to workers, to companies," said Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat from Ohio. He was among many lawmakers worried that an industry collapse would be devastating for everything from school districts to small businesses.

Even if just GM collapsed, the failure could bring down the other two companies -- and even the U.S. operations of foreign automakers -- as parts suppliers run out of money and shut down.

Concern about the automakers hit new heights Friday when GM and Ford reported they spent a combined $14.6 billion more than they took in last quarter. GM said it could run out of money by the end of the year.

Ford said it could last through 2009, but only because it arranged a hefty credit line last year.

All this comes after tight credit and economic uncertainty in October reduced U.S. auto sales to their lowest level in 25 years -- with no rebound in sight.

If the industry failed, among the hardest-hit communities would be Lordstown, Ohio, a village of 3,600 people about 50 miles east of Cleveland that has been home to a GM factory since 1966.

If the plant closed, Lordstown would lose up to 70 percent of its budget, a scary scenario that proponents of a multibillion dollar bailout say would be repeated across the industrial Midwest.

"If they went completely under, obviously it would financially devastate us," said Michael Chaffee, a school teacher and Lordstown's part-time mayor. "It would be catastrophic for our whole area."

Without GM and nearby parts factories, he said, Lordstown's $4.2 million budget would take about a $3 million hit that would almost certainly require layoffs of police and drastic cuts in park programs.

A study by the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor estimated that the failure of Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. would eliminate up to 3 million jobs, including those at parts suppliers and smaller businesses that rely on the automakers.

State, local and federal governments would lose more than $150 billion in tax revenue over three years, the study said.

Next week, Congress plans to consider giving the auto industry part of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout during a lame-duck session.

Opponents of the idea say government money will just delay the inevitable demise of companies that are on death's doorstep because of years of mismanagement and labor costs that are far higher than their global competitors.

"How is this money going to make a positive difference in creating a new competitiveness?" asked Sen. Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Republican.

Sessions and others also fear that opening the treasury to automakers will invite more industries to plead for federal help.

"Once we cross the divide from financial institutions to individual corporations, truly, where would you draw the line?" said Sessions, who also opposed the Wall Street bailout.

Automakers say bankruptcy protection is not an option because people would be reluctant to make long-term car and truck purchases from companies that might not last the life of their vehicles.

But Sessions and others say Chapter 11 might be a better option than government loans. Airlines, Sessions said, have reorganized through bankruptcy, and the auto industry could do the same, protected from creditors and lawsuits while companies work to become profitable.

"I would prefer they would go through a reorganization process, and sometime in that process, if targeted aid might be effective, I would consider it," he said. "It seems like the larger the amount of money that's being spent, the less attention anybody pays to how it's spent."

Automakers say they are poised to rebound because they have been restructuring for years -- shedding jobs, consolidating engineering and design, and making plants more efficient. The Big Three have cut their combined U.S. hourly work force more than 40 percent since 2005, from 244,000 to about 139,000.

David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, said Detroit is losing money now because it has too many factories making more vehicles than the market is buying. As a result, it must discount with incentives to sell them.

But as factory cuts take effect, automakers will see more profits -- about $2,000 per vehicle -- because they won't have excess cars and trucks and won't have to discount, Cole said. But that means consumers will probably pay more for cars in the future.

The increased profits, coupled with about $1,000 per vehicle in savings from a cost-cutting contract with the United Auto Workers, will allow automakers to repay debt to existing creditors plus the government, Cole said.

"The earning potential of this industry has the potential of covering that debt surprisingly fast," he said.

Brown, the Ohio senator, said letting the industry collapse would also be a national security risk, eliminating companies that were essential in two world wars.

"If we ever need that national security production for serious defense, for any kind of significant war, it's gone," he said.

If a bailout is approved, it's likely to come with significant strings attached. Even proponents like Brown would like to see limits on executive pay and a ban on shareholder dividends. Others have suggested management changes and tougher fuel economy requirements.

But back in Lordstown, people just want to the government to act.

Joellen Spletzer, owner of a convenience store about a mile from the GM plant, can't understand how Congress could quickly bail out Wall Street but balk at helping an industry that supports so many people.

"I'm not talking about my little store on the corner," she said. "It will affect people in so many widespread ways it's unbelievable."

Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas reported from Washington.


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Real manufacturing  11/13/2008 10:18:00 AM
real manufacturing, actually producing goods, deserves a bailout more than the imaginary, on paper, products that the financial sector puts out.
What comes around...  11/13/2008 11:40:00 AM
I'll tell you what a catastrophe is- that piece of junk 2001 Suburban we just gave away to charity! $45k down the drain.
Failure Could Be 'Catastrophic'  11/13/2008 12:01:00 PM
The failure is the unwillingness of the very over-paid executives taking the responsibility to cut there pay when things get tight. It's not the governments fault they fail to make the necessary cutbacks. They are using scare tactics to panic people into supporting there continued greed to pay themselves in a down economy with government money. The failure to make the necessary reductions in pay will ultimately hand this country over to foreign owners. We are doing this to ourselves people. Wake Up!!!!! Real working people need to keep there jobs in the USA at reasonalble wages.
Real Manufacturing  11/13/2008 12:01:00 PM
What good is real manufacturing if people can't get the credit to puchase the products.
How about some accountability here?  11/13/2008 12:07:00 PM
Seems to me that the market should prevail here. In no other industry are so many bad decisions given so much sympathy. We should get the labor unions in line with the real world, stop causing our manufacturers from being non-competitive because of ridiculous labor contracts, and get back to serving the buyers and employees alike. There is plenty of 'blame' to go around. Placing blame and looking for a government bailout is NOT going to fix the underlying problems. The scare tactics being used here are just protectionist, and will, in the best case scenario, prolong the pain and demise/saving of the US auto industry.
Chrysler lesson  11/13/2008 1:02:00 PM
If we bail out the big 3, there must be terms similar to what waas used in the 70s with Chrysler. Equity stake, so the tax-payers are protected. The gov needs to see a 3 year business plan on how they will turn around the company. And lastly concessions from the stake holders, management, unions, creditors ets, so everyone takes a share in the turnaround. -Jay
the sky is falling... again  11/13/2008 1:26:00 PM
we heard this song & dance a couple of months ago about the financial institutions. Our legislators rushed to sign off on 800+ billion bail out, against the loud opposition of the majority of their constituents, and it has done little to ease the "credit crisis" or help the stock market. Now the treasury secretary says the plan that was sold to Congress & tax payers has changed, once again pointing out that these people don't know what they are doing - knee jerk reactions to catastrophies that took several years to build instead of consulting with knowledgable economists. I believe it would be very bad for our economy if the big 3 go under but if we bail them out where does it end? Now AMEX (now calling itself a bank) and other credit card companies are asking for hand outs (after they made it extremely difficult to declare bankruptcy and can jack your rates sky high any time they feel like it), cities & states are asking for hand outs - the list goes on & on. Meanwhile, I make my mortgage, car & credit card payments on time and get my credit card interest rates raised. I am sick of bailing out greedy, short sighted people.
Bail Out of Auto Giants  11/13/2008 1:29:00 PM
I agree with the Sen. Sessions from Alabama. GM and the other automakers should go through bankruptcy.
Isn't the US auto industry already a failure for the most part?  11/13/2008 1:32:00 PM
Seems to me that the US auto industry has a long history of disease, including overpaid executive, stiffling union conttacts and finally poor porducts that cannot stand up to the competition. How does such a situation get corrected with my tax payer dollars. I do not want more debt to support an industry that has needed change for years.
US Auto Bailout  11/13/2008 1:34:00 PM
Bailing out GM, Ford and Chrysler will not help them increase sales. They need to downsize to match the current and future revenue or else go out of business. What about all of the Hondas, Toyotas etc. that are made in the USA?
Catastrophic  11/13/2008 1:38:00 PM
Why don't you find some unbiased sources for your articles instead of relying on the "Chicken Littles" of the industry and their sympathizers.
How economic systems work.  11/13/2008 1:46:00 PM
The economy, or the "market" is not an inherently stable system. At any point, it can take off in an upward spiral. More demand for goods means more jobs, more jobs means more money to buy goods and the demand for goods increase, repeating the cycle. For the same reason, it can also take on a downward spiral. Less demand means less jobs, less jobs means less income, and less income means less demand for goods. Therefore a huge loss of jobs in a short time will trigger a disastrous downward spiral that will take many years to recover, like the great depression. So a quick crash must be averted so that we can buy some time to revamp the auto industry, which needs to be done carefully and correctly.
More Accountability  11/13/2008 1:55:00 PM
If the government does try to bail out the industry with taxpayer money, it will just be wasted money unless there is a lot of forced accountability and realistic change. This change must involve all levels from top management down through the ranks. As bad as the obscene executive pay/bonus packages are, that is a small drop in the bucket compared to the ridiculous pay/benefits demanded by the unions. The unions are going to have to wake up and get realistic. Sorry, union guys, if you had a lick of sense, you would have known that the free ride could not last forever and would have set aside enough of your pay to carry you through when the gravy train derailed.
Enough is Enough  11/13/2008 2:00:00 PM
Talk of another bail out from the "government". As far as I am concerned, that "government" is you and me, the American tax payer. This is personal. It is my hard work that earns the money for me to pay taxes. And the people of the United States of America are once again asked to give our tax money to poorly managed companies so the economy will be saved. Never mind these same tax payers are being laid off, having hours cut, and are unable to obtain loans. Instead of "bailing out" poorly managed companies that refuse to allow supply and demand to dictate business plans or companies that manage for short term personal gain and ignor good business practices, put the money into the communities that are affected by plant closures, construction projects stopped by lack of available financing, and re tooling our workforce. Use "bail out" tax dollars to create a fiscally responsible economy.
Ditto the Sky is Falling  11/13/2008 2:13:00 PM
The fear mongers run amok. It's time for that bloated carcass of the American auto industry to be hauled off the side of the road and let someone else do the job. Let's not perpetuate the problem by bailing them out. Either they figure out how to compete or they get out of the gene pool.
Detroit Bail Out  11/13/2008 2:38:00 PM
The problem with the "Big Three" US auto makers is threefold: Incompetent management, the uniions, and too much capacity. If you look at the industry in general sales are depressed. If you look at the foreign companies that are manufacturing cars in other places than Michigan, they are experiencing a slow down but they are not clamoring for handouts. You cannot pay workers at the rate unionized Detroit pays them and be competitive with non-union plants, that incidientally pay their workers well. We should let all three of the US auto manufacturers file for chapter 11 protection and force them to either become competitive and come out of reorganization stronger or, in the vein of true capitalism, go away. This is what happened in the airline industry and some survived and some went away. The other end of the path we are currenlty on is nationalization of industry after industry and that is a very slippery slope.
Right To Work  11/13/2008 2:39:00 PM
Freeing the U.S. auto industry from the massive long term labor costs such as eliminating the outdated pension plans and even busting up the labor unions would help the industry to recover. The federal government should mandate that all states become “Right-to-work” states under the Taft-Hartley Act (Open Shop Rule). The implied protection to the firm allows the organization to hire and fire as needed. The organization can alter or eliminate employee business at will. Under the open shop rule, it is extremely difficult for unions to form. This will break the overwhelming burden that the labor unions have on the industry and inadvertently will reduce labor costs which is the bulk of the auto industry issue.
Enough is Enough, Exactly  11/13/2008 2:59:00 PM
Damng right, gov't. corp. welfare disguised as bailouts do Not work, and since we are headed right into the next Great Depression, we may as well bring back the WPA, CCC, etc. and at least put folks back to some productive work.
Automaker Bailout  11/13/2008 3:29:00 PM
Instead of giving money to GM, Chrysler, or Ford, how about giving a 10-25% rebate to each American citizen that buys a new American car? We'd sell hundreds of thousands of cars, put thousands of people back to work, and save the government a small fortune in unemployment benefits.
autoBuyer bailout  11/13/2008 3:55:00 PM
Yeah, that is an Excellent idea, 25% immediate rebates to U.S. citizens buying a new U.S. car / truck ... that would 'spread the wealth around' much faster & for a Lot less cost than any $800B+ sunk into those financial fat-cat's pockets !!!
The Good subsidize the Bad...again.  11/13/2008 4:07:00 PM
Ah, yes, people screw up their company and who pays? Me... again. Union rules force factories to stay open. Idiots like sherrod Brown castigate the CEOs (who in dollar terms are a drop in the bucket) but protect their union buddies till the end of time. The companies should be closing plants and to hell with the unions. Also, any aid package should be split with the auto manufacturers in Southern states.
Bankrupcy is not bad!  11/13/2008 6:05:00 PM
As someone stated earlier, you can not subsidize less demand. We have artificially created demand in our country with credit. With tighter credit demand will be reduced. We have to realize we need less cars and trucks. If the automakers have to file bankrupcy they will be forced to deal with all the issues you all have identified; over paid execs, unreasonable unions etc. There are a lot of companies operating in chapter 11! They do not close their doors and entire cities are decimated! They work through the issues and usually come out a stronger company, just look at the airlines. If they do not make it they will sell off the good components to others. We still have demand for most of the vehicles they make, just not all of them. Most of the factories will still need to operate....
Please bailout GM so they can acquire other companies...  11/13/2008 9:46:00 PM
It seems quite odd to me that just a couple weeks ago GM was engaged in negotiations attempting to acquire Chrysler and now they need a bailout to survive... This sound similar to Bank of America on 1/11/08 acquiring Countrywide Financial for $4.1B and only 3 months later (4/29/08) posting a $6B loss which prompted a multi-billion dollar bailout. Then in September Bank of America purchases Merrill Lynch for $50B. Just remember that all those companies that closed their doors were purchased readily (Bear Sterns, Countrywide, Merrill Lynch, Wachovia). Something just seems wrong when companies are engaging in acquisitions while hurting so badly. Mark
Too many options  11/13/2008 10:23:00 PM
How many options are really used by the auto owner? What are critical safety features? What are the nice-to-haves? Which options do the thinking for the driver? Have we turned our brains over to machines and forgotten how to think? Options cost money. Unions have put Americans out of work. No wonder outsourcing is such a big industry. Bring the work home and get rid of the unions. Use Sr. Management bonuses to pay for warranty work. How quick will product quality inprove? Just somethings to think about.
AUTO BAILOUT  11/14/2008 1:09:00 AM
The US society as a whole-- corporations, the public, the government, etc., etc--have spent three generations building a society structure based on cheap energy and the automobile. It has come to a end. What the final solution will be I do not know... but more and more of the same is not sustainable, desirable, or possible. The transition to what ever it is going to be, will not be pleasant or profitable... but it is coming. Anyone for bicycles, street cars or living where you work ??
Auto bailout - not a good idea  11/14/2008 2:20:00 AM
Let's look at some of the management decisions at the auto companies..... 1)They signed excessively high pay UAW contracts. 2)They made the choice to kill planned (year after year) CAFE increases since 1975. 3)They demonstrated a 80 mpg family sedan under a $1.5B 1993 Clinton administration technology partnership (and have elected to do nothing with the technology). 4)They made the choice to kill the EV and took on the bug SUV. 5)They (GM) sold the EV battery patents to Chevron/Texaco (subsequently sued Toyota for using them in their RAV4EV). 6)They told us we really want a monster SUV to be cool, while the rest of the developed world is getting around just fine with 40-60mpg vehicles. 7)They are requesting relief from the 2025 CAFE requirements, claiming they are too aggressive. Let's get serious, how can a CEO make those decisions (above)? The CEOs are very educated and capable people. Peak oil has been written about for 30 years. Over a decade ago CA took the EV idea all the way through the legislative and rule making process. Toyota shipped a very acceptable EV, that is still on the road today. Clinton setup a partnership to make high mpg technology available to the domestic 3. Honestly, what about their decision making should be saved? If we let the capitalism life cycle play out, the suppliers will be motivated to start delivering product to Tesla, Fisker, Aptera and the many other startups that want to move this country forward. Unfortunately we have learned from Enron/Global Crossing etc, that the workers are going to end up impacted the most by the (bad) choices of their CEOs.
Bailout  11/14/2008 4:46:00 AM
Who's next to bailout? Pharma, etc.? Will we subsidize every failing industry? The problem is lack of accountability combined with greed... and booze. It's true, Wall Street got drunk and now it has petty cash to buy more drinks. The bailout is a reward for those who should be fired. I hate to see government involved in micromanagement, but shouldn’t bad decision makers be replaced? This means not only CEOs but also union cats -- too many pay respects to lobbyists. We need a true reform to restore trust. Money can’t buy trust.
What jobs ?  11/14/2008 1:32:00 PM
I want the auto industry to prove that the number of jobs that will be lost. Seems to me that they have outsourced most of the industry to Mexico and China. Foreign autos have more U.S. content than the U.S. autos. Check out the source of the engine and tranny of the top F-150: Japan and France !!!!
Let them fail  11/14/2008 3:56:00 PM
How far down the line do we do? They fail because of bad management, just like any other business. Can I ask the government to bail out my small company if I run it poorly? What makes Detroit special??
Comrades! To Each According to Their Need!!  11/17/2008 9:33:00 AM
Tisk Tisk, Comrades! This is the age of OBAMA! From each according to their ability. To each according to their need. The UAW has plenty of need, and they need to be rewarded for it!
Doomed to Failure!  11/17/2008 7:07:00 PM
Why should we support a business that's doomed to failure. I just heard that it costs Toyota $2,600.00 less than GM to produce a vehicle in the US. This is the amount that US manufacturers must add to their price to cover retirement health care, politically correctness, environement extras, etc. that foreign companies don't pay. We could bail out the US auto makers and tax the foreign companies and lose all auto manufacturing (just like the textile industry). All the "Comrades keep voting against jobs" then wonder where the manufacturing went? I bet the same government people that caused the financial industry to fail have their hands in the automakers pockets also.
why bailout a foreign companies?  11/17/2008 8:41:00 PM
The big 3 received many tax breaks and incentives from all over the U.S. That freed up plenty of cash to spend in China & Mexico building state of the art factories and engineering centers taking US jobs and therefore, US customers. Ford spun off and then shut down Visteon. GM spun off their parts divisions to Delphi who, after spending their cash on 55 plants and an engineering center in Mexico(taking 80,000 jobs just to Mexico alone)& China, is in bankruptcy. The big 3 are now just foreign car part assemblers. You gave away your consumer base. Why bail out a foreign car company? My tax money is needed in my country. To help US businesses and taxpaying Americans. Sell it here? Then engineer and build it here. Imagine, your workers buying your product.Henry Ford understood that concept.
Let them fail  11/18/2008 10:28:00 AM
I refuse to buy their crap ever again. And I will not pay the over price management they have either. The once great american auto industry died 20 years ago. It is just time for it to lay down and get out of the way.
new diesel truck  11/18/2008 1:43:00 PM
as soon as Honda or Toyota build a 3/4t diesel I'll sell my Ford......tired of crappy engineering and quality......those that spout off buy American I ask what? American named products are outsourced overseas and foreign made products are made here and at a profit hows that work out Detroit....?
they need help?  11/18/2008 4:51:00 PM
It's absolute hubris to screw up an entire industry - not just a company - and then say "oops, sorry. My Bad. Can you lend me a few billion dollars to tide me over?" Let em all fail. The greed of the management and unions combined caused this. I just reeived an email from GM (I have a leased Chevy) asking ME to contact Congress to help THEM get a free loan. WHAT ABOUT ME? Cancel my lease payments for this crappy van that constantly needs repair, and then MAYBE I'll contact congress. What chutzpah.
Bailout of Auto Companies  11/20/2008 12:28:00 AM
I was outraged that the fat cats representing the "Big Three" auto makers had the nerve fly to Washington in a rented jet which cost $20,000. to ask for a bailout for their industry. Can't they go coach class like the rest of us? This shows an extravagance and arrogance which is unacceptable in this day and age. No wonder their companies are bankrupt. Where is their discipline in their every day lives? If they get bailed out now, they will be back in 6 months begging for more. Let the fee market reign here - only the best will survive!
Likea buch of spoiled kids  11/20/2008 8:40:00 AM
It's the unions fault, it's the CEOs fault, it's everybody else’s fault. No, it’s called accountability and responsibility. you screw up, you pay the price. The automakers make SUV's because people buy them. You can't move closer to work because when you do, you'll either lose your job or change jobs and have to move again. You can't tell me that the so called drop in the bucket of just 1 CEO's pay wouldn't allow myself and a dozen other programmers like myself to retire now and live better. I pay my bills, I live within my means, I sold my vehicle (A Ranger) for a better gas mileage vehicle. My mortgage is not under threat of foreclosure. I've done what is needed to be responsible, I have savings in low intrest bearing accounts for the bad times. I've lost 30% of my retirement funds by a company that tells me if you can just hang on... (Not a company paid pension). I'm not expecting any bailout. Times get tough, stop waiting for someone else to maintain your current (bad) lifestyle or business choices and bail your @ss out. No welfare for able bodied people, No welfare for corporations that make bad business decisions, No welfare for people living on credit.. Now it's time to quit complaining and get to work. Don't wait for someone else to get things done, deal with your own problems cut up the credit cards, don't buy 1 person commuter vehicle that cost you a $150+ a week to fill.
The Greatest Mind Game.. The Poison Pill that will rebuild the auto industry!  11/24/2008 5:39:00 AM
Talk about a mind game! Go to government for a bail out, be as arrogant as you'd like about it, make people mad about your income and your fancy jet.. and then.. Everybody gets mad at them. Are you kidding me? Any idea how many PEOPLE, who built that company with their bare hands, are still alive? They may have streamlined years ago to create a "more efficient" assembly line (less manpower, more machines) What they didn't count on, was the sheer volume of pensioners they have obligations to on the books.. living for so long. Doesn't matter what you streamline.. it took decades to build that company.. those that did should be rewarded with a pension. But, let them, go bankrupt. Pension liability? Evaporates. But "they ASKED for help" .. bankruptcy would be the easiest way, to shed themselves of the blame, and put the blame squarely on government for not helping. Begging for money in their mindset, is a token gesture, custom designed to blame government for letting them go down. How do you do it? You manipulate public perception into focusing on the wrong issue. Bankruptcy would be a FANTASTIC thing for all three of these companies.. it breaks their long-term obligations to union contracts demanding workers get fair pensions. Asking the government for help, and being turned down, and the public outcry over the arrogance, says absolutely nothing of the reason they DID fly in on corporate jets. To swing public opinion in favor of hating highly paid executives. These guys won't have to worry about money. The pensioners will. And you have to do the math on the nuts and bolts. From the moment the first bolt is forged or the first plastic part comes off a supplier's shelf.. there is tax owed to uncle Sam. Consider it in uncle Sam’s best interest, to keep a corporation that contributes through income taxes alone (employees) let alone downstream state sales taxes for high priced goods. They ARE a cash cow for the government. They have contributed TRILLIONS of dollars in tax revenue to uncle Sam in their time. Those factories, were instrumental in America's contribution in two world wars. Without them you are a public without the means to produce your own police cars, let alone your own military equipment. C'mon.. you telling me "let them go bankrupt" is the way to go? They'd LOVE to do it.. and not have to blame themselves.. that's why a token request for money. I've still got warranty on my new truck. Somebody better stop them from going bankrupt, or that'll certainly be done too!


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