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UAW Unhappy About Possible GM, Chrysler Merger

Manufacturing.Net - October 17, 2008

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LIVONIA, Mich. (AP) -- As negotiations for General Motors Corp. to acquire Chrysler LLC appear to be gaining momentum, United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger said Friday he is very concerned that the deal may happen, with many workers losing their jobs.

Gettelfinger said in an interview that he knows the companies have been holding discussions for a long time and said there probably are steps the union could take to try to halt any merger. But he said that would be speculation at this point.

"Let's say we're concerned that it's coming because of the impact that it would have on our work force," Gettelfinger said at a union hall rally for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Neither Chrysler nor GM has contacted the union about the acquisition talks, he said, but he cited reports about the merger that say GM would look to take costs out if it were to acquire Chrysler.

"That's going to mean a reduction of workers," he said. "I don't know just exactly how that would work out, but yes, we are very concerned about that."

Chrysler has 66,409 employees, most of them in North America. About 33,000 are represented by the United Auto Workers.

Gettelfinger said the union also is concerned about further job cuts at GM as it tries to deal with slumping sales and the credit crisis. The automaker has announced more than 4,300 layoffs at its factories since Monday, and industry analysts have said more may be on the way.

Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli, in a television interview Thursday night, would not comment on talks with GM, but said the automaker is looking for partners and alliances. He said economic troubles have made the industry ripe for consolidation.

"It certainly creates an environment for consolidation where you can get synergies of productivity that will allow you to be more competitive, not only here in the U.S. market, but on a global basis," he said.

GM has discussed a merger or acquisition with Cerberus Capital Management LP, the New York private equity firm that owns 80.1 percent of Chrysler, a person familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press last week.

Chrysler, Gettelfinger said, could still make it on its own because it has rechargeable electric cars and other new models in the works.

"I think Chrysler's got some surprises when it comes to products that people are not aware of," he said. "But Chrysler is obviously impacted. They've been hit very hard on sales as the entire industry has. To say that they can survive or not, I think Chrysler is in good shape, at least for the next couple of years."

The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Thursday night that potential lenders are eager to see the deal finished, and that GM wants it done as early as the end of October.

GM is trying to raise additional capital as it faces potentially huge losses when it reports third-quarter earnings in the coming weeks.

A major player in the deal is J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., one of the largest holders of Chrysler bank debt and one of GM's key lenders, the Journal said.

Another person with knowledge of the talks told The Associated Press on Thursday that no deal is imminent. Also, GM's board reportedly has been cool to the idea.

Industry analysts also are skeptical of how GM will benefit because the companies have so many overlapping brands and models, but Chrysler has said it has about $11 billion in cash, and GM may be interested in gaining access to that.

Analysts say cash would be the only reason for GM to be interested in taking over Auburn Hills, Mich.-based Chrysler, a privately held company that does not have to report earnings. It lost at least $510 million in the first quarter and $1.6 billion last year. Its sales are down 25 percent so far this year, the worst drop of any major automaker.

Detroit-based GM is burning through more than $1 billion in cash per month, with several analysts predicting it will reach its minimum operating cash level of $14 billion sometime next year. Sales are down 18 percent, and the company has lost $57.5 billion in the past 18 months, largely because of tax accounting changes.

All of this comes as U.S. car sales have slowed to their lowest point in 15 years, making bankruptcy possible for all of the cash-strapped Detroit Three if things do not turn around soon enough.

GM on Thursday made public that it will lay off 1,600 workers at three factories in Michigan and Delaware in the coming months as it tries to keep inventory in line with slumping sales. On Monday the company sped up the closure of a Wisconsin sport utility vehicle plant and announced it would close a metal stamping factory near Grand Rapids. Those moves will cost more than 2,700 jobs.

"We're concerned about additional cuts," Gettelfinger said. "Clearly vehicle sales have really come down from where everyone anticipated."

GM shares rose 3 cents to close at $6.43.


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Union concern  10/17/2008 11:22:00 AM
Yeah I bet they are worried poor union loose all those dues. Maybe if they werent there in the first place automakers wouldnt be in such bad shape.
GM Chrysler Merger  10/17/2008 11:32:00 AM
It is about time that the UAW figures out that the union and the Auto Companies are jointly responsible for the high cost of producing a quality auto in the US. Why it that Japan and Korea -- soon could be others – is can produce a better, less expensive car in the USA? It is because of the High Cost to pay for hourly wages + benefits. Get a clue and start working with the auto industry. They are your life blood. Without them, you do not have much of a job.
Merger  10/17/2008 11:41:00 AM
If this merger is required to save the companies, then the union should have absolutely no say in the matter. Maybe the union is one of the problems.
Unions?!?  10/17/2008 11:47:00 AM
Is Ron Gettlefinger mentally retarded? How many job will be lost if both companies go out of business? I'm sick and tired of the unions only looking out for themselves and not seeing the big picture - what is in the best interests for the companies involved. Get a clue man, and get rid of the unions.
UAW Unhappy - How much more do they demand  10/17/2008 11:49:00 AM
Unions have destroyed the competitiveness of American companies with their excessive demands and dragging their feet on productivity. Just look at all the non-union plants in the southeast owned by Japanese and European auto companies. They produce more and superior cars than the UAW plants in the rust belt. Much of our lack of competitiveness has been the result of unions like the UAW. One of the most frustrating jobs I have had in my career was as a test engineer having to deal with UAW in a prototype and test facility. Unions have destroyed the Big 3 US automakers and now they are unhappy about a possible merger to save what is left of these former companies - give me a break. The UAW is now experiencing the results of years of their abuse.
UAW Worthless  10/17/2008 11:50:00 AM
Don't you have to have an education to be a union president, or at least have some common sense!
UAW Unhappy ??????  10/17/2008 12:38:00 PM
Is it the union President or the rank and file, paying members who are unhappy? Where does Ron Gettelfinger have his head these days? Check out the economic community around us. GM and Chrysler are not the only kids on the block. Look at what the Toyota's and Honda's of the world have done. They moved right into his neighbor hood and it appears he doesn't even know it. By the time he finds out about it, Chrysler and GM will be gone as we know them today, either jointly or apart or worse doing business as another foreign company here in the US. Mr. Get_ta_finger should move his finger, so he can see what's happening around him.
GM Acqusition of Chrysler  10/17/2008 1:06:00 PM
GM and the UAW have to first accept and understand the critical situation and then cooperate to survive. GM has to contain costs from materials, direct labor, oeverhead costs and SG&A costs and expenses. Ceberus Capital Management's acqusition Chrysler provides managers that will by their nature cut costs. Hopefully GM's management tactic of using, abusing and potentially bankrupting their supply chain companies would be realized as a self destruction strategy. Toyota supports all of their supply chain supply companies as part of their company and has an outstanding record of lowering costs through continuous improvment and teaching lean manufacturing to the entire supply chain. America needs our automotive industry and we need management to lead us to world leadership.
Well, heck  10/17/2008 1:08:00 PM
Guess I'll have to keep buying unamerican... and I really wish I didn't have to say that!
UAW UNHAPPY????  10/17/2008 1:25:00 PM
If he halts the merger what then..........is he planning on milking it as long as he can then they both fail? He needs a brain in place of those rocks in his head. The union should have no say in merger talks.
Not just a union problem  10/17/2008 1:40:00 PM
While the unions are part of the problem, they are not the only problem. I remember when GM got involved with Toyota to build the Prism, and in looking at Toyota's books, they discovered that GM's per-car overhead was higher than Toyota's total cost! In other words, if everyone in the UAW agreed to work for FREE, it would still cost GM more to build the car than Toyota was spending. That began vast cuts in middle management. I'd bet that GM's and Toyota's direct labor costs are very similar today. Part of GM's problem is that, while GM and Toyota sell about the same number of cars, Toyota has two brands: Toyota and Lexus. GM has five brands: Chevy, Saturn, Pontiac, Buick, and Cadillac. How does adding three more brands (Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler) help that situation?
WHO NEEDS THE UNIONS THESE DAYS?  10/17/2008 3:05:00 PM
Who needs the unions these days? What good are they doing to the public? It does not matter what we say, the fact is, this is a global economy and the competition is fierce. Time has changed. We do not need unions to survive, we need jobs for survival. If this GM/Chrysler merger is good to keep some jobs in the US, let's go for it. Forget the union.
Unions  10/17/2008 7:59:00 PM
Keep flappin your jaws boys and your jobs will be gone to. All the time the CEO's and the big shareholders rake in millions. If you haven't seen that by now after this baleout you need to go to Australia with the other Ostriches and bury your head in the sand.If it wasn'y for unions you would be working for barely enough to feed your family while the owners were getting rich. It's only a world market as long as they can rape other countries. First Japan then Mexico , Tailand now India next China. Once they have been exploited then where? I don't work union but I am smart enough to know the only reason I make a good living as a Toolmaker is because they have to compete with the other shops to keep me. I'm not as dumb as most to realize the facts. Good Luck and I will see you pencil pushers in China driving a junk mini mobile.Just so you know there are cars in europe that get 60 plus miles per gallon but the feds won't let them in as they don't meet safety standards . Imagine that
Unions  10/18/2008 11:15:00 AM
I've worked for 30+ years. About 10 of those in a union environment. I've seen resonable and unreasonable unions. I do think they serve a purpose and can play a role in providing better working conditions for the entire working population. My problem with unions is they don't seem to understand when they cross the line with unreasonable demands that put companies or in some cases industries (say auto) into situations that cause total failure. That being said... I could draw the same conclusion for serior managers that direct unreasonable compensation to themselves. Their greed amazes me. Don't know exactly what the solution is but both sides better learn to work together or we'll all be sorry...
Unions  10/20/2008 8:49:00 AM
Gee...I didn't see any pro-union comments here. I wonder why? Anyway, I guess the Union realizes their gravy train is about to come to a screeching halt. I truly hope that after all the dust settles and whatever labor force is left, the Unions power is reduced to nil. And one can hope that it will serve as a precedent so the rest of the Unions in this county will lose the stranglehold they hold on our economy. This must be the trickle up economics they talk about - it's no wonder CEO's feel they should be making their millions when the unionized plant workers are earning what they do.
Not just the union  10/20/2008 10:57:00 AM
Unions have a reason and it is to support workers compensations, benefits and SAFETY. Yes SAFETY, if not, the number of people with problems would go very very high. Benefits, because as any other person in this great country, the cost of living and health is an important part of the living costs equation. What is the problem for a worker making $50,000 or more a year that pays income taxes, goes out and expend money in restaurants, trips for vacation (they also deserves vacations), college education for their children, etc that helps to keep the economy moving? I am more concerned of the managers that make millions a year in salaries plus millions a year in bonuses. Yes, bonuses that represent several vehicles costs in an industry that is supposed to be loosing money in numbers that do not have sense. How a company can be consistently loosing BILLIONS of dollars and not being bankrupted? How is that a manager can not live with $500,000 a year? How many of you would live RICH with just that money a year without any bonus? They remember me the companies that got money from the government to help them with the current economical situation to find out later that the managers when to a LUXURY Resort to expend millions of those dollars in Spa massages! Another question for all. How is that a supposed loosing BILLIONS of dollars company can pretend buying another loosing money company with a 25% drop in sales? These are the same people that were asking the government for “special” loan to invest into their “quality improvement plans” to survive or compete versus the Japanese. Something smells fishy here.
"REALITY" CHECK, PLEASE  10/20/2008 1:57:00 PM
So the "Big 3" is looking like it will become the "Not So Big 2" and then in time the "Used To Be Big 1" when GM/Chrysler has to merge with Ford to survive. Unless real change (including Labor Union stone age mentality) occurs fast it will end up the "Big 0 "None". Labor Unions are just reaping what they have sown over the decades. I was a "coerced" member of the Steel Workers Union years ago at Reynolds Aluminum and their mentality was so stubborn and inflexible that it amazed me how Reynolds could survive (they didn't). There used to be a real need for Labor Unions years ago, but they have mostly outlived their usefulness. Federal and State laws now deal with almost all the issues Unions came into existence to confront. Now the Unions real main goal is perpetuation of their own existence. The current strike at Boeing is going to drive more airlines to buy Airbus planes. Then were will the former Boeing employees work???
Times, They are a Changin !  10/20/2008 5:31:00 PM
Why don't some of the union rank and file find out what Mr.Getafinger is making every year off their backs ? The abuse and corruption of unions is legendary. My take is that they are past their prime and no longer relevant. The proof is in the South with the Japanese factories, courted by those states, and producing world class auto's with contented workers. Unions are the last hang over from the days of social engineering and class warfare between the workers and the oppressing Bosses. In the US every man has the right and possibility to be whatever he wants. It takes hard work and education to become a boss. Used to just take a couple of goons with a stick to get you a big wage as a union man. I will bet that the union man today is not telling his son to grow up and be a card carrying member. Even they know their time is done !!! If Capitalism is to endure we need to eliminate these barriers to becoming cost effective here at home, or wave goodbye to the rest of the good jobs as they go away.
UAW  10/22/2008 11:06:00 AM
I work as a quality engineer in a large UAW plant. The "upper management makes billions per year" argument is both bull and old. I make $61,000 per year as an educated engineer. The average UAW worker in my plant brings home $70,000 per year. Saying that upper management brings home $500,000 per year is not only false, but very minuscule when you consider the thousands of UAW employees making twice their value. Not all unions are bad, but the UAW is. The UAW had a time when they were necessary, when job conditions were horrendous and pay was low. The UAW has got to go, it is the only way American manufacturing will survive.
UAW   10/23/2008 8:57:00 PM
Seems to me the UAW builds what Engineering says is the best to build...If the public is unhappy with our products...we need to get rid of Engineers...


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