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Machinists Union Tells Boeing To ‘Get Serious’
By Dan Catchpole, Associated Press Writer
Manufacturing.Net - August 27, 2008

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SEATTLE (AP) -- A spokeswoman for the Machinists union scoffed at the latest contract offer from Boeing Co. on Tuesday and warned the company to "get serious" if it wants to avoid a work stoppage.

Chicago-based Boeing's latest draft eliminated two of three proposals the union had objected to, changed outsourcing language, bumped a wage increase to 9 percent over three years and raised the basic pension benefit. It also included a yearly 3 percent cost of living adjustment.

But the proposals Boeing eliminated -- a new, non-pension retirement plan for workers hired after this year, and separate contract negotiations for workers in Wichita -- never should have been on the table to begin with, said Connie Kelliher, a spokeswoman for the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers District Lodge 751.

The offer would not strengthen union members' job security or make enough overall improvements, and would still take away or downgrade some existing benefits, such as by increasing co-payments for medical office visits, she said.

"The company needs to get serious about these issues or they are going to have a work stoppage on their hands," Kelliher said.

Boeing spokesman Tim Healy called the offer "outstanding," and noted that negotiations continue.

"We need to share the success of the company with our employees, but we also have to sustain that success into the future -- for everybody's benefit," he said.

The company wants to have a final and best offer to the union before Labor Day weekend. The current contract expires Sept. 3.

About 18,400 machinists in the Seattle area, Wichita, and the Portland area struck for four weeks in 2005, forcing the company to halt production of commercial airplanes. The machinists assemble Boeing's commercial planes and some key components. The union represents 25,000 Boeing employees in the Seattle area, around 1,800 in Wichita and 800 in Portland.

The union wants language covering its members' job security to be strengthened. In 2002, the union accepted weakened language -- and other concessions -- due to the economic downturn after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Kelliher said.

"The language they have proposed would significantly restrict our ability to react to market changes," Healy countered.

Boeing's commercial airplane manufacturing operation, based in the Puget Sound area, has led a resurgence by the company over the past two years amid heavy orders for the much-awaited and increasingly delayed 787.

"The best way to ensure job stability -- which is what the IAM is talking about -- is to improve productivity, which will help us increase airplane sales," Healy said.

The union -- whose slogan for these negotiations is "It's our time this time!" -- has said it wants to get as much as it can from Boeing in this contract.

"If we can't make gains during the good times, when will we make any gains?" Kelliher said.

The union is putting together a counter-proposal to bring to Boeing on Wednesday, Kelliher said.

Representatives from Boeing and the union began round-the-clock negotiations on Thursday, Aug. 21, at a Seatac, Wash., hotel.

Boeing has said it hopes to present a final offer to the union by Friday, Aug. 29.

The union wants Boeing to pull its proposal eliminating retiree medical for future hires and rehires who have been gone longer than six years.

Also, the union wants higher wage increases. The machinists haven't had a raise since 2004, she said. The average Boeing machinist earns $27 an hour or about $56,000 a year, before overtime and incentives.


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machinist union tells boeing to get serious  8/27/2008 12:35:00 PM
Boeing should tell the union to get serious. This is 2008 not 1970
Serious?  8/27/2008 12:38:00 PM
I think the union is the one that needs to get serious. This ain't 1962 anymore and the union does not provide for too many people anymore. The machinists that are being screwed by the union may be unemployed entirely if they are not careful. The most sure fired way of getting your job outsourced is to be hard to deal with. The union is doing that quite well.
Offer seems reasonable  8/27/2008 12:52:00 PM
9% for past years (basically) and 3% each year for the next 3 is at least within negotiating distance. The 56K salary quote also does not include benefits costs which are substantial. Reportage should include take home (or average AGI) and a separate number which includes benefits (but not bloated corporate overhead). As an alternative, just learn Hindi or Mandarin or Cantonese... I hear they are hiring over there.
Who should get serious!  8/27/2008 1:52:00 PM
The fact of the matter is neither side is wrong. The process of renewing union / company contracts is negotiations. And depending what side you are on, your either giving up to much or your not getting enough. I wonder what the CEO of Boeing and upper management people are making in relationship to the workers. 56K seems like a good pay, how ever is it. Depending where you live and the cost of living in those areas it may not be. And if the company is passing off more cost to the workers that money goes very quickly in comparision to the much higher salaries of the upper management poeple who may not be being ask to take the same hits. I say share the wealth were ever it is practical in the longer both sides are better off.
Boeing vs Union  8/27/2008 2:16:00 PM
Caterpillar is building a plant in China. Do you really want Boeing to do the same? $56,000 a year is a decent salary, and if they are getting overtime on top . . . What's to complain about? I haven't had an increase in my salary for years. As a matter of fact, I am actually making $5,000 less a year than what I made in 2001! But at least I am not unemployed!
Serious?  8/27/2008 2:46:00 PM
Good point there "Boeing vs. Union", this should be about keeping those jobs in the US, not about how mauch tis or that you can get. Hey machinists, if no one has told you yet, you are actually doing pretty well considering all those who are flipping burgers now but were once in american factories. Think about it boys and get serious about keeping your job.
Boeing vs. Union  8/27/2008 4:30:00 PM
It's obvious that the union heads don't look out for their people. Everybody is whining about the economy and yet they want to strike if they don't get better than 3% per year? $56,000 is a great salary for a cushy job. Good luck finding a new job, because you will be looking for one.
Boeing Contract   8/27/2008 6:51:00 PM
One thing not mentioned is that many of these machinists become old men by their 50's because of the physically punishing and demanding work they do and working 70 hr weeks for months on end. Knees, backs, shoulders, elbows, and wrists are sacrificed in building these airplanes. What is your body worth.
Just ask the C.E.O.  8/27/2008 6:53:00 PM
And what does he take home? Get real? 2000 times over the shop floor is B.S.!
are these guys crazy?  8/28/2008 6:39:00 AM
Unions are so killing manufacturing in the US. I work in a frist tier supplier for Aircraft manufacturers. A group on us took a tour of one of the big (union) plants. do you know how many people we saw working during a 2 hour tour? Exactly one!!! The rest were wandering around and drinking coffee... I would love a guaranteed 9% raise over the next 2 years thank you very much, cost of living too? ungheard of where I come from.....
Boeing vs. Union  8/28/2008 8:39:00 AM
Great comments and insight from all. The only point missed is replacing the union members with those who will do the "jobs Americans don’t want". It seems to me that this gulf is what is fueling the invasion of America. Maybe we should step back and take a good look at what America is so that we can explain our part in its fall to our grandchildren.
All Union negotiations  8/28/2008 10:10:00 AM
Read allot in this section. Most of it appears to be accurate. Unions in general are there to first make sure there is a safe work place. Second they establish a set of rules that the worker and employer can work by. Salary or wages are part of that procedure. Anyone thinking that this country or any country would be better off without unions needs a reality check. They keep a sustainable wage base for nearly everyone, because the non union jobs have to compete to keep employees. $56k in Seattle isn't a lot of money. I've worked for Boeing and believe me those people work under pretty tight supervision on schedules that get tighter and tighter. Every time a new plane is developed bar charts are developed and work alloted time is shortened and then shortened again. You had better meet the expectations. This isn't a cushy job. As far as moving overseas, Boeing is already having parts and pieces manufactured there. Cat put a factory in China to build tractors in an area where they are wanting the equipment. China is growing. Anyone who doesn't want to cash in on that would be crazy. Cheap labor is all corporate America seems to be focused on. I do agree that there is something very wrong with the salary differences for CEO's. They need to understand one thing, If you continue to try and kill the middle class, they soon will become the poor. When the middle class buys nearly everything, who is going to buy your new cars, not the poor. Share the wealth and everyone is better off. The laborers are the only ones actually doing any that makes money.
now on the downward slope  8/28/2008 11:27:00 AM
It is interesting to see comments like, 'this isn't 1962', or the 70's anymore. That is for sure. Our golden age is over, and it's time for the little people to see it. How dare the machinists union continue to have an attitude of maintaining their lifestyle. They need to get with the program and realize that from this point forward givebacks will be expected. The unions had their day in the sun and it's over. Time to bow before your corporate masters. You want a piece of the pie, union, invest in the corporation. Otherwise do as your owners ask.
There's always two sides to the story  9/2/2008 1:58:00 AM
It always amazes me when I hear people talk about how good Boeing people have it. For most of the people that think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence forget it, its Not! The work they do is not easy, its not brain dead work like pulling a lever to assemble some cog. Most of the skills need to perform these jobs takes years to learn enough to be proficient in other areas of production learning to read blue prints and engineering dispositions to correct production problem. Not to mention these are precision assembly jobs that are high stress, people lives depend on you doing your job correctly. Don’t believe everything you read in the press as its more than likely just being put out by Boeing. They want you to put pressure on people to be happy for how good they have it. Most of the new people that assemble the air plane are making between 10.72 and 16.72 and hour depending on what they do and how long they have been with the company. That doesn’t look like a 56k job for 2080 hours a year, now does it? Most will only be able to work for 2 to 3 years before they get laid off and with the step system at Boeing it will take them almost 7 years to make the top wage for their job. There are always 2 sides to everything and they only side you have heard is Boeing’s. The disagreement over this contract is with Management and their empty promises, the mandatory 144-160 hours of over time per quarter. The promise to pay the new hires more, 12.72 is not a livable wage in Washington. It’s the difference in benefits from one union to another and the fact that they can’t find people to do the work of there most skilled workers. So instead of offering them more money for retirement, they throw out a bone to make them stay instead of retiring. While their Managers make twice as much on average for each year of service. It’s about treating your employee’s with respect because they are very skilled and well educated. All the problems they’re having right now it’s because they found out that not just anyone can do this kind of work correctly. Just my .02


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