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GAO: Gov't Won't Get All Auto Bailout Money Back
By Ken Thomas and Stephen Manning, Associated Press Writers
Manufacturing.Net - November 02, 2009

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Taxpayers are unlikely to recover their full investment in General Motors or Chrysler, U.S. government investigators said Monday in the latest review to cast doubts that the government will recoup the $80 billion it poured into the two automakers.

The Government Accountability Office concluded that General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC likely will not be valuable enough for the Treasury Department to break even on its investment in the two auto companies that went though bankruptcy earlier this year.

The GAO also revealed that the Obama administration is closely scrutinizing the finances of GM and Chrysler and has set some requirements on production even though it has said it will maintain a hands-off approach on the automakers' daily operations.

To recover the loans Treasury gave Chrysler and GM to keep them afloat, the automakers would have to reach valuations they did not approach even when they were healthier.

Treasury officials said they were considering a series of initial public offerings to dispose of the government's 61 percent stake in GM. For Chrysler, a private sale of the government's nearly 10 percent stake is more likely because of the government's minority ownership.

GM would need a market capitalization, or the market value of the company's outstanding shares, of $66.9 billion for Treasury to make its money back, according to GAO. GM's peak market value was $57 billion in 2000. Chrysler, which was last publicly valued at $37 billion in 1998 when it merged with Daimler AG, would need a market value of $54.8 billion.

Treasury officials told GAO that the companies' previous equity values were not comparable because GM and Chrysler have undergone substantial reorganizations through bankruptcies. The Obama administration has said it is confident it can recover the bulk of its investment in the GM and Chrysler restructurings.

GM spokesman Greg Martin said "if we get our job done, the government has an excellent chance of getting a return on its investment." Chrysler declined to comment.

In September, the Congressional Oversight Panel reviewing the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program said most of the $23 billion initially provided to General Motors and Chrysler late last year was unlikely to be repaid. GAO did not provide an estimate of how much might be returned to taxpayers.

Treasury officials reiterated that they do not plan to be involved in the companies' day-to-day management. But as a major creditor and equity holder, Treasury is closely scrutinizing the financial well-being of Chrysler and GM.

In GM's case, it must supply 13-week forecasts every two weeks, monthly reports on its liquidity and monthly budgets covering a five-year period. All financial statements, budgets and other material must be turned over to Treasury as long as it owns 10 percent of GM. The automaker must provide its consolidated balance sheet until it repays its loans. Chrysler is required to make similar disclosures.

Both automakers must keep much of their manufacturing in the United States. Chrysler must produce either 40 percent of its U.S. sales volume domestically or come near its 2008 U.S. production volume. GM agreed to give its "best efforts" to keep its U.S. manufacturing within 90 percent of its business plan.

The companies are also subject to limits on executive pay and corporate expenses. Italy's Fiat Group SpA can increase its stake in Chrysler if it produces a new engine in the United States or a car that gets 40 miles per gallon.

Treasury officials told the GAO that the measures were meant to protect the government's financial interest, but acknowledged that they "reflect the administration's views on responsibly utilizing taxpayer resources for these companies," the GAO report said.

GAO also questioned staffing levels for the administration's auto task force. Treasury officials told GAO that they plan to disband the team over time as other Treasury aides monitor the companies' financial conditions. Once made up of 16 staffers, the task force now has just four professional staff members. Former task force head Steve Rattner has left, while Ron Bloom, a key member, is now also advising the administration on manufacturing policy.

GAO said it was concerned Treasury "may not have sufficient expertise to actively oversee and protect the government's ownership interests, including determining when and how to divest these interests."


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GM/Chrysler Pay-Back  11/2/2009 4:10:00 PM
Taxpayers will not get our money back? Another screwing by GM and Chrysler! Why CAN'T they pay it all back? Ford was able to survive very nicely with NO government bailout! What's the difference? POOR MANAGEMENT at BOTH GM and Chrysler And no incentive to make full payback! Just more of rewarding incompetence! When Chrysler HAD good management, under Lee Iococca, they paid back 100% of the money loaned to them. But current management just pisses it away on por design; poor marketing; poor product quality and obscene wages! We should have let them fail, like any other business!
Not to worry...the "middle class" will pay for it  11/2/2009 4:22:00 PM
We pay for everything. We are so busy working to pay for all the new taxes (surcharge) or more (9/11 security fund) or more money for all the freeloaders that why should any of this change? Just keep taking it from us - plenty more - all you gotta do is pass a law and take it.
collection  11/2/2009 4:31:00 PM
It was naive to think that money would be returned in full by now, give them a chance. In fact I believe in time the government will get all back and them some.....have you ever won a financial battle with Uncle Sam? Big brother is extremely skilled at collecting its debts from us and I am sure with time they will get their money again. Writers just needed something to fill the page.
Go UAW!  11/2/2009 4:36:00 PM
This is why the Ford UAW workers are the best! We gave concessions early and are leading this country forward! More workers should follow our example!
.... and this is a  11/2/2009 5:06:00 PM
surprise to whom?
Re:Go UAW!  11/2/2009 5:09:00 PM
LMAO! Aparently you haven't read two other articles in this same publication entitled "More UAW Locals Vote Down Ford Deal" and "Ford UAW Workers Say 'No' To Contract Changes".
Get the money back through free vehicles for government motor pools, forever.  11/2/2009 5:21:00 PM
Our government uses thousands of cars, SUVs, and light and medium-duty trucks for the various departments and for the armed forces. We can get the money back through GM and Chrysler providing these vehicles for free until the balance of the debt is paid, saving the U.S. Government hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment purchases, while keeping all those auto workers working. Sure, the profit margins will be slimmer, but the payback cost for the provided vehicles can balance things out. I'm sure the GAO can figure out a formula for that. Besides, nothing better than using U.S.(and government)-owned companies manufacturing things for the U.S.!
no return on bailout money  11/2/2009 6:20:00 PM
This is a surprise? I thought that was part of the deal.
GM can't pay back because Obama and Ratner  11/2/2009 7:58:00 PM
Gave most of GM to the UAW, yet the UAW has no obligation to the citizens of the US to pay for that principle position. The good news for Obama is that he has satisfied his payback to the UAW for their contributions during the election. So much for eliminating corruption from Washington politics. This is CLEARLY the most corrupt admininstration in US history - nice CHANGE.
It'll probably really crank you off...  11/2/2009 8:01:00 PM
When Obama and the Marxists (Democrats) pen a law to take your 401k - but that law is coming.
who would have THUNK  11/2/2009 8:15:00 PM
with INCOMPETENT management at both GM and Cry-baby the solution EVEN now is to let FORD buy out both of these ... with the amount of foreign competition they still wouldnt control too much of the market to make any meaningful market impact
NOT Paying Back?  11/2/2009 10:07:00 PM
Surely he jests! Who would have thunk it?
They should have let them fail...  11/3/2009 7:38:00 AM
The government should have stayed out of it and let the free market fix the mess. They are just delaying the inevitable and if we really want our money back we'll have to sell off their assets to get it. Basically we're screwed until we can get some fiscal conservatives in office.
OBAMANATION  11/3/2009 8:35:00 AM
The UAW was well paid (by the American Taxpayers)for their support of Obama during the election. The American Taxpayers are paying for nation building in barbarian Iraq and Afghanistan. Now public healthcare will be foisted upon us. BILLIONS to TRILLIONS are being spent on nothing...CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!! And the only people working overtime are at the Treasury printing soon to be valueless $100 bills.
What?  11/3/2009 9:37:00 AM
Wow. I smell Impeachment!
No pay back to taxpayers  11/3/2009 10:54:00 AM
Stupid should hurt !! taxpayers don't have a voice with Obama's socialist power. More waste in the horizon with the trillions of dollars we will have to pay for the healthcare boondoggle.
Still too many right wing nuts  11/3/2009 11:24:00 AM
GM and Chrysler had bad management for sure. But we were faced with the loss of millions of auto industry jobs and the imminent collapse of the US auto industry from which we might never recover. The administration saved millions of jobs, thus prevented escalating a bad recession into a full fledged depression. There is a price to be paid for sure, we are paying for the years of gas guzzling mismanagement now, and do not pin that on the administration. If you insist on looking at it ONLY as return on investment, then the US Wars are absolutely terrible investments, but these are what the hawks want, and they are pretty right wing.
Response to all those bashers....  11/3/2009 12:22:00 PM
I knew everyone would be lit up in anger at this headline. BUT nobody ever b|tc4es about the bank bailouts, or the other union workers who are teachers, work at airports/airlines, utility companies etc. you continue to bash the American Auto companies but you have no idea what it is like in Detroit, Metro Detroit, Michigan and/or the Midwest right now. everyone, EVERYONE has lost BIG $$. thanks for you nationalism. BTW I don't work for any automotive company so consider my opinion unbiased before someone responds stating that I am a UAW worker
And now its too late---  11/3/2009 1:22:00 PM
I think I tried to tell everyone this would happen!! By the way----I stil have my "McCain-Paylen yard sign up.
Obamanation?  11/3/2009 2:22:00 PM
Where were you people for the last 9 years? In some state of coma? Paulson was the Sectretary of the Treasury and Bush was President when the Automakers were bailed out. And they are the ones that nationalized/socialized 9 banks. Then they bailed out AIG without reading any of the contacts or without requireing accounting of the money that they gave them. THIS WAS LAST YEAR. When you blame Obahma for this travisty you are only exposing your ignorance. A super REPUBLICAN majority in Congress passed S.900 IN 1999 which if you would read, everything that went wrong is in this bill. You disrespect the current President by calling him names and blaming him for what the previous administration did. This happen ONE YEAR AGO!!!!!!
Who needs accounting?  11/3/2009 6:08:00 PM
Certainly the US government has never needed accounting or accountability. The current administration doesn't want it. So why would payback or accountability be written into the bailout programs? The US government is in business to print and spend money. They balance the check-book by printing more money. It will be very easy for GM and Chrysler to repay the bailout money because tomorrows dollars will be nearly worthless. It will be chump change. No need to blow our tempers...Still glad to be an American. It si better than many alternatives.
Re: Obamanation?  11/4/2009 8:02:00 AM
Where were they? They were busy listening to Rush and Beck and have no clue how much they were screwed by their own party.
Loan pay back  11/4/2009 9:48:00 AM
You people do realize that the Gov. has collected taxes on that loan money? Any money that when into ciculation got taxed, and taxed again. Workers pay, materials bought, etc. As the dollars worked their way down the food chain, they got taxed to nothing. I think the rule is that a dollar 7 or 8 time spent becomes all taxes. This would mean that anything we got back from GM on the loan would likely be pure profit.


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