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Ford UAW Workers Say 'No' To Contract Changes
By Dee-Ann Durbin and Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writers
Manufacturing.Net - November 02, 2009

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DETROIT (AP) -- Ford Motor Co. workers have overwhelmingly rejected contract changes that would have allowed the automaker to cut labor costs, leaving Ford at a disadvantage to its Detroit rivals as it continues its struggle to return to profitability.

The United Auto Workers union had given local unions until Monday to complete voting. But a person briefed on the voting said Saturday that the contract changes have been rejected by large margins. The person asked not to be named because the UAW hasn't announced the results yet.

The UAW and Ford agreed to the contract changes several weeks ago, but Ford workers needed to ratify them. Ford has 41,000 UAW-represented workers.

Two large union locals in Kentucky and Ford's home city of Dearborn rejected the contract Friday, sealing its fate. Those unions together represent 13,000 Ford workers. Exact tallies weren't available, but at least 12 UAW locals representing about 27,500 workers so far have vetoed the deal, many overwhelmingly. Only about four locals with a total of 7,000 members favored the pact.

Ford sought the deal to bring its labor costs in line with Detroit rivals Chrysler Group LLC and General Motors Co., both of which won concessions from the union as they headed into bankruptcy protection earlier this year. Under pattern bargaining, the three automakers usually match pay, benefits and other contract provisions.

But workers weren't convinced they should make more concessions, since Ford avoided bankruptcy and is considered healthier than its rivals. At least two Wall Street analysts are predicting that Ford could report a profit Monday when it announces third-quarter earnings.

Rocky Comito, president of UAW Local 862 in Louisville, said Friday that workers felt they were being asked to sacrifice more than the company's executives. Ford CEO Alan Mulally made $17.7 million last year, although that was down 22 percent from the year before.

"Some want to see management give more at the upper level," Comito said.

Ford was offering workers a $1,000 bonus if they ratified the contract. But the contract also would have frozen entry-level pay, changed some work rules and limited workers' ability to strike.

A message seeking comment was left Saturday for the UAW. UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said Friday that there wouldn't be a revote if the contract changes failed.

"If it fails, there would be no reason to go back to the bargaining table," Gettelfinger said at a community event in Detroit. "We have a democratic process in place. People have a right to express themselves. We recognize there's a lot of misinformation about it out there, but that is what it is."

Factory-level union leaders have known for several days that the deal would be defeated, said one Detroit-area official who asked not to be identified because the voting is not completed.

The union did a poor job of explaining the need to preserve jobs and keep Ford competitive with GM and Chrysler, the official said.

He doesn't believe members will approve any more changes until the 2011 contract, which will leave Ford at a disadvantage and has the potential to knock the company from its position as the strongest financially of the Detroit Three.

"Our goal should be to keep Ford Motor Co. going in the right direction," he said.

Gary Chaison, a professor of labor relations at Clark University in Worcester, Mass., said the vote was a slap to UAW leadership. It's extremely rare for union members to oppose the union's recommended vote.

Chaison said the vote damages the reputation of UAW Vice President Bob King, the chief Ford negotiator, who has been mentioned as a successor to Gettelfinger when the union elects a new president in 2010.

"The sign of a good leader is that you can agree to something and then sell it to the membership," Chaison said.

Chaison said Ford asked for too much too soon after workers already agreed to concessions earlier this year. He also said Ford lacked credibility because its financial situation wasn't as dire as GM's or Chrysler's.

"They made such a strong case about not going to bankruptcy court and turning the corner, so they couldn't go to the workers and say, 'We need this to turn the corner,'" he said.

The no votes came even as Ford reached a similar cost-cutting agreement with the Canadian Auto Workers union Friday. The CAW has agreed to cuts in benefits in exchange for product guarantees, but that agreement must be ratified by Canadian workers.

In addition to the plants in Louisville and Dearborn, workers at factories in Chicago; Claycomo, Mo.; and Livonia, Plymouth, Sterling Heights, Flat Rock, Ypsilanti Township, Mich., rejected the deal. Locals in Wayne, Mich.; Cleveland; Indianapolis and St. Paul, Minn., voted in favor.

Associated Press Writers Corey Williams in Detroit and Janet Cappiello Blake in Louisville contributed to this report.


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Union stupidity strikes again  11/2/2009 11:50:00 AM
OK - so Ford shows a one quarter profit after years of loses and the union says NO we can't make any concessions so the company is on the same cost basis as the other guys - we want to kill the company first - then we will make concessions after it is too late - smart, really smart!
UAW rejection vote  11/2/2009 12:27:00 PM
Looks like the union members can't / won't learn any lessons from the railroad featherbedding problems of the past. Once Ford dies, their jobs are GONE!
Stupidity AND greed...  11/2/2009 12:27:00 PM
So what will be done when Ford follows the footsteps in the snow left by GM and ChryCo on their way to bankruptcy? Ingrates.
Auto workers need to get their passports soon  11/2/2009 12:33:00 PM
I would suggest that auto workers get their pasports soon, since the only work will be countries like China, India etc.
Union stupidity strikes again-2  11/2/2009 12:34:00 PM
What will "O" and his Dem fogies do when Ford comes asking for help? I bet they forget all about this vote and dish out the cash. After all it's our money they would be securing their next election votes with.
Seeds  11/2/2009 12:37:00 PM
They will reap the harvest of the seeds they sow. I really like my Ford pickup, but I can buy a truck from someone else if Ford goes under.
Leach like unions stupidity.  11/2/2009 12:39:00 PM
Unions want to milk cow until it is dead. Then there will be no milk and no cow! But there will be "Messaiah" blessed unions bailout!
Profit  11/2/2009 12:40:00 PM
Unless the negotiation is for the union to give back so Ford can REDUCE the price of cars it appears the Union workers voted correctly based on Fords' recent profit declaration. I vote for price reductions to new cars so more people can afford a new car.
Greedy auto unions  11/2/2009 12:40:00 PM
Ford Should do just like Ronald Reagan did with the traffic controllers, fire all the union workers and get a new crew. Ford may be in a better situacion than GM and Chrysler but it still in the hole until the U.S auto industry get stronger and competive against japanese and european importers and maybe also China. There are a lot of people looking for work they wish they could have those jobs .
Stupidity???  11/2/2009 12:44:00 PM
Come on, not only did they make a profit they made a 1 Billion dollar profit in a crappy economy!!
Contract Changes  11/2/2009 12:45:00 PM
The union just gave Ford considerable concessions last year, now they want more. New hire starting pay is now $13.00/hour for factory workers and by Fords own statements their labor costs are competitve with Japanese manufacturing plants in the U.S. How much is enough?
No sympathy  11/2/2009 12:47:00 PM
Sorry UAW, your memory seem to be too short. Let us see how long it would take you to send Ford to the same path as Gm and Chrysler.
FORD /UAW  11/2/2009 12:49:00 PM
I don't know what unemployment pays in that area but I do know what UAW union members get paid and it is far superior to unemployment. Greed and lack of concessions to secure your job and future are so nearsighted as to be almost comical. Good Luck. I'm just thankful I have a job and benefits as well.
It's Not the Union  11/2/2009 12:50:00 PM
The union was recommending a "yes" vote. The employees didn't agree. Go ahead and bite the hand that feeds you! I hope it comes back to slap the crap out of you! The employees must not realize what has been happening in the real world. People have been taking pay cuts or at a minimum, had their pay frozen for the last couple of years. These employees don't know when they have it good. Kick them out and start over. I give Ford will be disadvantaged thanks to employee greed!
Just one more reason to shoot the unions  11/2/2009 12:52:00 PM
They had their place in history...when laws weren't in place to protect workers. Unions are outdated. I remember union workers would come out where I used to work and would talk about how much 'more' money they made working for the union. But then, they were out working for us...a non-union shop. The reason? At $40 an hour they would work maybe 10 hours a week. At $20 an hour, they would get in a full 40+ hours (including some overtime). It just goes to show these guys will cut their nose to spite their face. "Yeah, we're making $80 an hour. Who cares we'll be laid off in 6 months!"
Lights are on, but nobody's home  11/2/2009 12:53:00 PM
I'm not surprised that the UAW membership took this position based on the current good financial situation at Ford. So now the only option is to slice and dice... reduce the labor force thru layoffs and shut down shifts / factories that arfe not at 80+% utilization. The bottom line is that the manufacturing costs need to be in line to support the business, not the other way around!
Henry Ford's Vision  11/2/2009 1:00:00 PM
Henry Ford's vision was for his own workers to be able to afford the cars they made. Now what if Ford lets its workers buy Ford cars at cost? Ford makes no money off it, but there will be more work and income for the workers, and the executives too. But then some people will cry "company socialism". Who would lead such a cry? Wall Street, because they only want to see profits. The do not care if Ford gets stronger or if its employees do better or worse. Wall Street is the tail that wags the dog.
Say Goodbye to more Manufacturing Jobs  11/2/2009 1:01:00 PM
It's a shame that the unions didn't agree to the wage and benefit concessions. The shortsightedness of the unions, given the recent incentive laden $1B third quarter profit is unfortunate. Even with wage concessions, those were still good paying jobs. In order to be competitive with GM and Chrysler, Ford will either have to eliminate jobs or move some of its manufacturing to the South where labor costs are cheaper. Bottom Line: Unions and a socially liberal government are killing our ability to be competitive in a global marketplace. With a confiscatory union wage scale and the hostile regulatory environment in this country, we will continue to lose our manufacturing base. Hey, the good news is that WalMart and McDonalds are hiring.
DAW?  11/2/2009 1:01:00 PM
So the UAW is no longer "United" in their demands? Maybe they should call themselves the "Divided" auto workers union. But "divide" and "union" are antonyms so it can't be both. The other side of this coin is how the other two groups will react knowing that Ford will have a "better" employment package. No one will be happy - watch.
There's a reason  11/2/2009 1:10:00 PM
There's a reason that the rank and file in unionized companies aren't given decision making responsibilities or recruited into management.
A vote no is a vote for no thank you  11/2/2009 1:10:00 PM
The federal government has given workers the right to express their dipleasure with the management. It is also unfortunate that the Quarterly earnings expressed today give the company a more than favorable view. This could have been viewed as a good sign that the comapny was progressing to become a dominant force in the automotive industry. It is a shame that they will be forced into a predicament simialr to their unhealthy counterparts. As far as union leadership. That was spit polish and shine with no substinence. The union leadership had a good idea where things were going before it happened. The appearance in the public was more political than anything else. I was thinking of going Ford, but now no. I don't want to deal with another unhealthy company.
Ford and UAW  11/2/2009 1:11:00 PM
Way to go guys. Goodbye Ford, hello Chinese vehicles. Some people do not know when to quit.
One more nail in the coffin  11/2/2009 1:12:00 PM
When are you going to wake up? Everywhere you turn you see signs that the US automakers are failing compared to other international automakers. Please tell me UAW workers; how do you expect the USA automakers to be competitive if no concessions are made? The reputation of USA automakers has been on a steady decline for years. You don't believe me? Just look at the rise of Toyota. They have now passed all of you? Do you think they will be the last? If you continue your current path you will surely be passed by makers from China and India in the not so distant future. Please, please, please wake up! I hope that US automakes will become strong again, but if you don't change your ways there is no hope for you.
Unions ?  11/2/2009 1:13:00 PM
Unbelievable. When they strike, results apply to all three companies. Looks like the unions want one a way ride. UAW has outlived its usefullness.
We'll let the government bail us out.  11/2/2009 1:14:00 PM
Now that they have their folks in charge in DC, why bother. Obama shafted the salaried retires and the big three to payoff the union members.
UAW / FORD   11/2/2009 1:15:00 PM
If Ford is smart and by looking at the last qtr. they are, GET RID OF THE UNION A-Holes. Then watch there profits go through the roof. If they do that I'd buy a new Ford tomorrow.
One Way Parity  11/2/2009 1:15:00 PM
How come these union folks are all about "parity" when their sister companies, GM and Chrysler were giving pay and benefit increases, but now that the industry is cutting, in an attempt to survive, parity is no longer important to them?! I have been beating the "buy American" drum for years, but I am tired of supporting cry baby UAW workers. Screw 'em, buy foreign at this point! Or better yet, buy non-union Made in America; Honda, BMW, Toyota, Subaru!
More consessions needed  11/2/2009 1:18:00 PM
The union officials and members should have stopped and thought about the no vote. I guess they also want to be a Government owned business. If greater concessions were to be granted and the price of the Ford Motor product were to be reduced more vehicles could be sold saving many jobs in the future. To bad the Union officials do not have the forethought to see this.
Unionize a new Union to get rid of the old Union  11/2/2009 1:24:00 PM
At a time when jobs are important, as well as keeping the jobs here in the US...you think these over-paid morons on both sides could of acted adult-like and worked out an agreement. Whatever. The rest of us are too busy paying taxes and trying to stay alive financially to fight what the "leadership" of big business, (unions included) and government are doing to this country. They are destroying it by short-sighted greed.
move production to Canada!  11/2/2009 1:25:00 PM
If the US workers are so set on killing the goose that lays the golden eggs my suggestion would be to move the production to Canada. Ford has a plant there that is scheduled for closure due to lack of demend for Crown Vics and the Canadian workers don't seem to have their heads buried in ther posteriors.
Laid off UAW workers at GM and Chrylser  11/2/2009 1:27:00 PM
I wonder how many UAW members that worked at GM and Chrysler plants that have closed would jump at the chance to work at Ford, concessions and all? The rank and file UAW members at Ford have no conception of how fortunate they have it. I could care less how much Alan Mulally makes. If it was not for his leadership and foresight Ford would have been in the same situation as GM and Chrysler. Ford now has world class quality and a future. The UAW wants to make certain they end up as part of "Obama Motors". I have steadfastly remained loyal to Ford, GM and Chrysler (I have owned all 2 over the last 50 years) but the UAW is dertermined to make certain that I buy Japanese or Korean the next time. I have no interest in buying a vehicle from a company that is being subsidized by the American taxpayer and the UAW along with the government has majority ownership.
A One-Way Ratchet?: RIP UAW  11/2/2009 1:27:00 PM
For years the UAW members insisted that any change at any of the "Big 3" be applied to all 3, ratcheting up the costs of a rather poorly performing workforce. Now that a proposed change doesn't feed their greed, they change their tune. It's like trying to work on a car with a ratchet wrench that turns only one direction. What they miss is that this will be another typical greed-based decision by workers which will come back to haunt them economically - perhaps very soon at Ford. Rest In Peace United Auto Workers.
UAW & management  11/2/2009 1:30:00 PM
Union membership has exercised their right to turn down negotiated agreements; they believed they were being asked to give up more than management. A worker's job is straight forward, but they may have lost sight of what management has done. Management decided what models to build and at what sites. They decide what tools to buy and what methods they use to manufacture the cars. Management decides how to market the new autos and how to finance the production. Obama could fire the COE of GM and hire his replacement, but he can't fire a single worker. Yeah, management gets paid more than the worker, but his decisions make the company a success or a failure. Executive compensation may be exorbitance, but their contribution to the bottom line goes far beyond other employees.
there will be a payback...  11/2/2009 1:33:00 PM
So the next time factory(ies) need to be closed to reduce capacity and cut costs, what plants do you think will be at the top of the list? Chicago, Claycomo, Livonia, Plymouth, etc.
An American Tragedy  11/2/2009 1:49:00 PM
It is truly sad to hear that the UAW is not capable of evolving. It is apparent to the general public that the the UAW is only capable of riding companies into the grave like GM and Chrysler. My fear is they are ultimately only going to force Ford onto the same path. Ford can then enter bankruptcy court to break their UAW contracts. The UAW needs to go on a trip to China, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, Brazil, even Italy, to see what the rest of the world is doing with labor. The UAW is upside down with not enough support coming up to pay their obligations. The UAW is going to bankrupt Ford. Ford had better figure out how to make cars without them, and quick.
Lost Sight of the Bigger Picture  11/2/2009 1:50:00 PM
It seems that folks may have lost sight of the rabbit... seems to me having a job is the bigger objective. Especially when the likely alternative here is NOT having a job. The company will have to get competitive one way or another that's a fact. Guess what's the quickest way to cut costs..
There's alot of empty car plants that would love to get those jobs.  11/2/2009 2:08:00 PM
The Janesville, WI GM plant is empty now. Bet the workers in Janesville would take a pay cut if ford bought the plant and started making new vehicles there.
Union concessions  11/2/2009 2:14:00 PM
Once again...the union has given back vacation pay,Cola,Paid Holidays,Scheduled raises, tuition assistance (that we paid for as Union members), agreed to higher copays, less health care options, relaxed work rules to eliminate overtime, consolidated classifications, all while our salary counterparts had their money restored to pre-bankruptcy levels. I don't blame the Ford workers, time to say enough is enough. If you buy foreign products you may as well piss on the USS Arizona! I for one will never buy foreign and I don't support business's or states that do! I check the lots of a business before I give them my money. So keep beating us up, I don't think a living wage or decent working conditions are a bad thing. Are you listening Senators Corker and Shelby? Guess why those cabins in Gatlinburg are sitting empty? You will never see another dime of my or my families hard earned money.
Go UAW!  11/2/2009 2:16:00 PM
Hey! Better wages mean better spending and a healthier economy. Most of you are just jealous that you don't have the backbone to stand up to your employers. The UAW has awesome power that will teach Ford a lesson. As long as their CEO makes 18 million, don't tell us they can't afford to pay us an honest wage... After all, we already gave up some serious concessions.
COULD FORD EXECUTIVES LEAD THE WAY?   11/2/2009 2:21:00 PM
I wonder if the union workers would be more willing to follow if Ford CEO Alan Mulally reduced his pay to, lets say, $1 million a year. That sounds like a rather liveable wage. It may be time for Ford Executives to step up to the plate....
Congratulations UAW !!  11/2/2009 2:26:00 PM
Just when I was real thankful that Ford chose not to take tax payer money to stay in business & I was ready to make my next vehicle purchase a Ford - you proved me wrong. Looks like the hard working foreign folks will provide my next purchase. I can relate to their work ethics, not the UAW work ethics.
"Equality of Sacrifice"  11/2/2009 2:48:00 PM
Ford management would have got the yes vote on this one but management chose NOT to have their own concessions. Ford was putting all the concesssions on the blue collar and this is wrong when pleading "poverty" at the same time. The CEO is now making $17.5 million and all 8th level floor supervisors and above are getting free cars to drive home. I don't think so!
Ford vs UAW  11/2/2009 2:57:00 PM
How much is enough? How much of a pay and benefit cut are You willing to take to keep your job? I promise you that your boss will be more than happy to take concessions from you. The laws in the US will protect you because they can't pay you less than a minium wage. Go ahead, give it up, work for less than you can draw in welfare and foodstamps.
Ford is still $26.9 billion   11/2/2009 3:03:00 PM
You'd think the unions would have more sense and be more pragmatic about their future. You simply shot your own foot. You guys better start practicing your resume writing skills. Way to go UAW!!!!!!
"Go UAW", you miss all the points  11/2/2009 3:08:00 PM
"Go UAW" at 2:16 - All you said above was "Greed is good for the economy". Tell that to your formerly greedy brothers at the previously failed UAW auto entities. Then just tell me a single time you voted for better productivity, or spoke up against stupid union work rules you knew to be conterproductive and lazy? Don't you dare lecture us, you lazy fool! Those writing here donlt have to "stand up to our employers" nor do we see our careers that way. You do because all you understand is "more for me is better".
Cut around the good parts!  11/2/2009 3:19:00 PM
Sometimes to remove a braitumor the surgeons cut away some good stuff. For may be the good parts!
What about the customer...  11/2/2009 3:52:00 PM
Why does every care about themselves and not the customer? Greed ish, but, notice how private enterprise cannot compete against government motors! Wow, price concessions for GM and Chrysler, but heck with private enterprise...STUPID is AS STUPID DOES>>>
ford/uaw  11/2/2009 3:52:00 PM
the one thing thats lost in this no vote from the ford uaw membership vote is the facts, uaw ford members was the first to make major concessions before gm and chrylser went in to bankrupcy and these current concession were towards future workers and would change fords relation with the uaw and will not effect ford bottom line till the end of the 2009 agreement, dont forget this would have been the second opening of the current contract and ceo allan mullay said after first opening and concessions ford was on par with all compettion.
Losses & debts over $30 billion  11/2/2009 4:03:00 PM
Ford's lost over $30 billion during the past 2 & 1/2 years alone and is in dept by even more then that. Considering the company turned a $1 billion profit for one quarter, if we do the math that means they will be in good standing in roughly 9 and 1/2 years. Any one who see the $1 billion as being anything other than a small step in the right directly demonstrates how stupid people have really become and why this country is where it is. What a sad world.
Ford UAW Workers Say 'No' To Contract Changes  11/2/2009 4:06:00 PM
Are the UAW workers shortsighted? Yes. However, they seem to be taking their lead from shortsighted Ford CEO, Alan Mulally. How can he justify a $17.7 million pay package when the company is teetering on the edge of survival? What kind of leadership is that? His senior managers are probably also very well compensated. The pain has to be shared throughout the organization in order to pass the fairness test. I'm not a union guy, but question the equitability of the sacrifices being asked. Ford is setting themselves up for a visit from BO's pay czar. Is the UAW greedy? Most folks outside the UAW would probably agree that they are. However, the auto company executives are too. If it costs about $5k to make a car, how do they justify selling them for 6 to 10x that? When will these guys understand that you can't sink half the ship?
uaw/ford no vote  11/2/2009 4:10:00 PM
as a uaw ford employee who voted yes on lastest contract modification the facts are important since the signing of the 2009 agreement ford uaw members approved opening up the contract and agreed to major concession months later after ford leadership praised the membership, ford wanted to get more modifications and wanted to open contract for second time in six months,my members said no and ford and the good relationship that ford has with its memberswill continue and both as one family will move on and make ford the # 1 auto maker in the world. remember the current agreement is up in 2011
I feel bad for the UAW workers  11/2/2009 4:24:00 PM
About twenty years ago a fellow came to work with us who had been laid off by GM when they closed an assembly plant in Mass. He made it through his probation period, but the next week he was a different person. He started grumbling about benifits and pay for overtime and what was different about our department and the main production group and such. There were nine of us altogether, three on each shift, and he was on second by choice. We listened to him whine and rant about equal pay because we performed a critical process for the company and deserved more pay, time off, and benifits. One of the junior techs was as tired as the rest of us of hearing him bitch, and asked him one day what the union did for him when the plant closed. He said that he got extended unemployment benifits. The young fellow said "Did they get you another job? Did they give you back all the money that you paid them? Were they there when the company closed the door?" The fellow just looked at him. The tech said" This isn't GM, we don't have a union and we don't want one. If you want that back, I suggest you go somewhere else." He lasted eight years, never mentioned unions again, and had a meltdown and attacked a supervisor for telling him he had to do something that the rest of us had been doing voluntarily. He got canned, threatening that we would hear from the labor board, blah, blah, blah. I feel bad because this guy was third generation GM employee and had a work ethic that only worked in that atmosphere. He was never happy with any part of our operation and was always looking for some way to make someone look bad or get some dirt on a manager. He always had an excuse for production issues and his solutions were usually pointed at someone else. The union mentality, or buy in, had ruined this otherwise competant man as an effective worker. Nothing was ever enough and heaven forbid if someone got rewarded for doing something extra. They were definitely sleeping with someone. I'll bet there's thousands of these guys out there who will never be able to take a normal job and like it. Thanks UAW, for making a better America.
Comment for "I feel bad for the UAW workers"  11/2/2009 4:43:00 PM
Very well said and thought out. A perfect summation, on the ills of the institution and how it twists very good people into individuals who are rarely able to adapt to normal productive society.
UAW right behind steel workers union  11/2/2009 4:51:00 PM
Blatent disregard for the state of the economy. UAW like the steelworkers of the past, they saw it coming but didn't give in until it was to late. Looks like the same train coming.
See the light  11/2/2009 5:28:00 PM
I guess the UAW are all blind. Can they not see the light? Are they waiting for Obama to give them the company? I am a member of a small union that is not linked to any national union. We are smart enough to give when needed and not cut the legges out from under the company that pays our wages. Also our CEO makes a boat load of money too. I don't like it but I don't have the back ground to get a job like he has either. So I got over it.
How does Toyota, Honda and Others Do It?  11/2/2009 5:32:00 PM
A legitmate question the UAW can never answer is, "How can Toyota, Honda, and other auto manufacturers make cars successfully in America with good work forces without the UAW?". I'm pretty sure they will never answer the question, because they have been proven to be irrelavent to the auto manufacturing business by their lack of presence at these successful factories. Ford had better figure out how to get them out by the end of the week if they don't want to loose market share to the more hungry manufacturers overseas. The future of the UAW is seen across the landscape of Detroit. The future is clear. The vote should be clear.
UAW / Ford  11/2/2009 7:48:00 PM
When Ford starts to build manufacturing plants in foreign countries, you'll know the reason why....Union Morons.
Re: I feel bad... and profits  11/2/2009 9:42:00 PM
I would like to add my approval of the writer's summation of what the UAW does to their membership, in rendering them unemployable elsewhere. And oh yes, all of you rank and file math wizards... $25,000,000,000 in debit does not make a company profitable! That only works in government! Give the m,anagement at Ford's credit for having the foresight and aligning themselves to survive this financial mess. And, WHAT EVER gives you the idea that just because your employer took in more than they paid out in a given month, that they are profitable? And, why do you think your greedy hands belong in the company till? Frankly, you have done NOTHING for the company EVER that you weren't very well compensated for...too well compensated at that. You want "equal sacrifice" by management? OK, then expect a one third or greater pay cut. Get in touch with reality! And LISTEN to your leaders, instead of putting your future on the line based only on rumors from people that either don't know, or are pushing a hidden agenda of their own.
Solidarity Forever!  11/3/2009 5:13:00 AM
The spirit of Reuther lives. Ford workers stand in solidarity, affirming to both their own leadership, and the entire labor movement that a corrupt economic system is to blame for society's woes, not labor. Solidarity Forever!
Forrest Gump  11/3/2009 6:36:00 AM
"Stupid is as stupid does". Nothing more need be said. Hope you union guys like China.
NO ONE HERE GETS IT!!!  11/3/2009 8:55:00 AM
The UAW supported Obama in the past election. If Ford needs billions of dollars to pay the UAW, Obama will give taxpayers money to Ford. FORD CANNOT FAIL!! As long as the Treasury keeps printing money, and the US Taxpayers, along with their elected Congressional representatives keep approving bailouts, ALL IS WELL!!!
strike talks  11/3/2009 10:18:00 AM
don't be so stupid and strike your company that just made profit!!suck up --I lost my pension from Delphi because we were forced to strike in 1998 for 3 months so GM could position itself --now look at Delphi! we have nothing a shell of a company that we were --owned by DIP everything shipped out of the Country--------Give Ford a break!Keep it in the USA
Ford foreign auto assembly plants.  11/3/2009 10:32:00 AM
Over the last year or so Ford has concentrated in building assembly plants world wide and currently has about 90 including China. The U.A.W. is on thin ice.
uaw vote down!!!  11/3/2009 10:48:00 AM
WAY TO GO IM SO PROUD TO BE A UAW MEMBER!!ITS ABOUT TIME WE STAND UP FOR OURSELVES.THE PEOPLE ON HERE COMENTING ARE CLEARLY JEALOUS OF ARE ABILITY TO UNITE.TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WHY TAKE CONCESSIONS WHEN WE CAN ALWAYS GET A BAIL OUT AND ALL OF YOU ALL CAN PAY FOR IT!!!HA HA HA HA !!!
Why doesn't Ford fire union workers....  11/3/2009 11:03:00 AM
Serious question: Why doesn't Ford fire the union workers, cut ties altogether with the UAW, then re-hire the workers for a higher hourly wage. This could technically be done if the union was out of the way. I do claim ignorance on this issue. I am from the West Coast technical industry where unions are not used. We basically act as contractors and get paid very well to do so based off our skill sets. This union stuff makes no sense to me especially in this economy.
Union pay vs. Executive pay  11/3/2009 12:44:00 PM
Nuff said? I'm not crazy about Unions and I'm not crazy about Executive compensation. With executive pay at hundreds of times the average compensation, there's way more work to do in leveling the playing field. It shouldn't all ride on the average worker. In Europe, the average is 10-20 times. Get it out there.
Wow, the koolaid still flows  11/3/2009 4:54:00 PM
It's funny that UAW members can look at the world so differently than 90% of America. They are determined to kill another industry.
This chart says it all.....  11/3/2009 10:32:00 PM
http://www.heritage.org/Research/economy/images/wm2135_chart1.gif Granted the figures shown as costs for current Big 3 workers are skewed somewhat by about $15/hour to cover benefits/costs associates with a huge pool of retired workers, but this still puts the cost of the current worker wages and benefits in the $55 to $60/hour range, well above the same labor costs at the foreign companies operating in the US. Even though the extra $15/hr for retiree benefits is often argued by the unions as unfairly applied to this comparison, one must understand that the unions are the ones who forcibly negotiated/demanded the huge retirement packages over the years to begin with. Now that the Big 3 are obligated to pay those benefits, and deal with the investment losses experienced in those retirement funds, the capital must come from the current operating funds (does this sound familiar? Social Security and Medicare are similar government promises that are choking our budget....but I digress). So the illustration is still accurate with regard to what union demands have cost the US manufacturers compared to their foreign counterparts, who some (not me necessarily) might argue are making a superior product. Check out Procon.org for additional info. My understanding is that UAW member annual dues are on the order $700 to $950. With 500,000 members that is alot of dough. Anybody ever wonder where that money goes? I'll leave that for another post.
Lucky auto union workers  11/4/2009 2:13:00 PM
I have a neighbor that worked at the GM/Toyota plant in Fremont CA. ,he bragged that because he was in the union he could shaft the company in many ways. He managed to go on disability for a long time, meanwhile when he was at home he was remodeling his house going up and down to the roof bringing tiles. The plant is now close and I wonder if he still milking GM out of benefits. Lately he drives a brand new Ford pick up he got on the Obama's cash for clunkers. Lucky Guy !!
Ford is still $26B in debt!  11/5/2009 7:47:00 PM
A $1B quarterly profit is largely eaten up just servicing that debt. Ford is trying to become financially healthy again, while still maintaining a competitive stand in the market. UAW needs to see that they are killing their own chances. This was a 3 year contract proposal. Better times will come when UAW can demand more of everything, but now is NOT that time. Now is the time to hunker down and hold on to your jobs and keep your company from drowning in debt.
Ford/UAW  11/9/2009 3:33:00 PM
Do management gets paid more, it takes a bit more than an IQ of 10 to run a company than it does to pull the trigger on a power lug nut wrench. I like the fact that Alan and his management has doubled my stock value. So screw the UAW.


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