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Dutch Firm Plans Cheap, Powerful Electric Cars

Manufacturing.Net - September 02, 2008

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SHAH ALAM, Malaysia (AP) -- A Dutch-based company announced plans Tuesday to produce affordable electric cars by the end of 2009, promising they will be much more powerful than existing models and have zero emissions.

Detroit Electric is in negotiations with Malaysia's national auto maker, Proton, to produce the car in this Southeast Asian nation and is also talking to a German and a U.S. carmaker, said the company's chief executive, Albert Lam. He declined to name the companies.

"We believe in affordable electric vehicles for the public. That is our dream ... to find innovative ways to counter global warming," Lam told a news conference before journalists test drove a sports car, a sedan and a subcompact car fitted with Detroit Electric's technology.

Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi drove the sedan Sunday when he arrived at a National Day parade -- which officials called a testament of the government's commitment to finding green alternatives to tackle rising fuel prices.

Lam said the car will use lithium ion batteries and a motor developed in-house.

"When people tell you it (an electric car) is not practical, that it runs at a slow speed and you can't charge it, that is not true," Lam said at Proton's test track in central Shah Alam city.

An Associated Press journalist who drove the sports car felt it zoom from zero to 100 kilometers per hour (62 mph) in less than five seconds, comparable to gasoline-powered sports cars.

Most electric cars developed so far are quite a bit heavier than regular cars, weighed down by their battery and motor, which limits their acceleration.

Existing models were used for the demonstration -- the sports car was a modified Lotus -- but will create their own designs and market the vehicles under the Detroit Electric brand -- named after a now-defunct U.S. company that produced electric cars in 1907. Lam bought the rights to the name to restore its historical legacy.

Detroit Electric's chief scientist, Frits van Breemen-Schneider, who invented the motor, said it is four to 12 times lighter than existing motors and has a much higher power-to-weight ratio. It can produce 5 kilowatts of power per kilogram, whereas the best electric car in existence can only produce 0.25 kilowatts per kilogram, he said.

The 80,000 ringgit ($24,000) price tag of the car will be more expensive than conventional vehicles in Malaysia, though the additional expense would be offset by fuel savings. The car battery will have a life span of 200,000 kilometers (125,000 miles).

The company is majority owned by Lam, a British citizen, and has entered into a partnership with several Dutch, American and Malaysian investors with an investment of about $300 million over the next five years.

They are targeting about 30,000 vehicles worldwide within the first year, ramping up to 270,000 vehicles in the third year.

The cars will have a range of about 200 miles on a full charge after keeping them plugged to an ordinary electric power outlet for seven to eight hours.

Lam acknowledged a major challenge would be to set up battery charging stations throughout the country for long distance travel, but expressed confidence it can be done at least in Malaysia because of the government's backing.

"It is about conviction. If you're an early adapter, there will be some inconveniences, but I'm sure that in two to three years, there will a comprehensive infrastructure for fast charging," Lam said.

The Dutch government has given incentives to electric cars, including free parking.

"It is great news that Detroit Electric is practically ready to produce a car that has zero emission," said Jan Soer, the Netherlands' deputy ambassador in Malaysia. "All the technology came from the Netherlands. We are very proud of our tulips, our windmills and our wooden shoes, but we are more than that."


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Battery size, weight, and cost are more important  9/2/2008 12:43:00 PM
The power to weight ratio of the motor has not been the problem. Getting rid of motor heat is a small problem. The big problem is battery cost, weight, range, and recharging.
Dutch Firm Plans Cheap, Powerful Electric Cars  9/2/2008 12:49:00 PM
Sounds nice, but, I need heat in the winter and air-conditioning in the summer. Both power hungry add ons. How many miles can you drive with the battery providing heat or air? 30?
Electric Car  9/2/2008 1:12:00 PM
$80,000.00 is CHEAP???
Electric car  9/2/2008 1:29:00 PM
HEAT get off the motor like a Volkwagen. AC roll down windows. If THEY have developed an EV and YOU haven't then I'm sure they are smarter that your critical arse and have thought of those things.
Electric Car  9/2/2008 1:43:00 PM
This could put real heat on GM's Volt. Forget the business case, I would buy electric just to make a point (within reason).
Electric car  9/2/2008 1:46:00 PM
Did anyone bother to wake up Detroit? And it's $24,000. not $80,000.
ELECTRIC CAR  9/2/2008 1:48:00 PM
$24,000, not $80,000 Read it again.
Electric Car in Malaysia  9/2/2008 1:56:00 PM
The guy yelling about the $80,000 price should read that again. That's 80,000 ringit or about $US24,000. That is NOT cheap, but competitive for electric cars.
Electric Car  9/2/2008 2:03:00 PM
What I would like is a kit with motor, batteries, etc. which I can put on my own frame. In the USA, all motels have outlets which could be modified to provide the "infrastructure" 80% of US driving is less than 150 miles per day! Electricity is ubiquitous and we need to cease paying the Arabs and Big Oil.
Tesla Roadster  9/2/2008 2:10:00 PM
I believe that the Tesla Roasdster(all electric car) motor is about 4 kg/kw. wt: 52 kg, Output power 200 kw.
Dutch Firm Plans Cheap, Powerful Electric Cars  9/2/2008 2:45:00 PM
Kudos, but.... Agree about battery cost, weight and re-charging. Haven't seen anything on the motor design, but a 20x improvement over the best EV motors makes me skeptical. Hope I'm wrong!
Electric car  9/2/2008 2:51:00 PM
The specs rival Tesla's at a fraction of the price. I won't hold my breath until they are actually on the street in the US but it sounds promising.
Improvements  9/2/2008 2:59:00 PM
Guys, every new invention is a good step, some invent a lighter electric motor, some for lighter batteries, some improve fuel cells, adding to that cheaper prices when mass produce them, we are getting there shortly. Lighter electric engine can be good for small planes too.
Electric Power / Less Noise & Less Pollution  9/2/2008 3:59:00 PM
Smaller electric engines and batteries for lawn mowers and motor bikes? Go electric!
Cheep, Powerful Electric Cars  9/2/2008 4:00:00 PM
It’s great to do it electrically, but: What happens to the grid when everyone plugs in their commute machine when arriving home? What will a new set of batteries cost at the prescribed 125,000 miles? Electrical power requires power plants. What will we power them with? A lot of talk about zero emissions, but how do we get the basic stuff, electricity? Last year the law ran out which prohibited the oil companies investment in public electric power companies. What can we anticipate in our world if price manipulation occurs on the power grid in the same manner it does in the oil price system? You can bet there will be no free lunch today or tomorow.
zero emission???  9/3/2008 1:35:00 PM
zero emission - I guess electricity generation doesn't produce any emissions???
Electric Vehicles and Gas Taxes  9/3/2008 2:23:00 PM
What do you suppose the governments will do to fund road construction and improvements as we shift to non-petroleum fuel? If D.E. puts photovoltaic cells on the roof, do you think they’ll tax us for using the sun?
Electric Vehicles & Gas Taxes   9/3/2008 4:54:00 PM
Gentlemen,The states are already feeling the gas tax loss and will be forced to switched to a new system called Tax by miles driven reguardless of what state you reside in. It will be a federal system controlled by the states.
Renewable energy  9/4/2008 9:11:00 AM
To run the car on solar energy or to generate any kind of of renewable energy at home is not cost effective, but when it comes to large plant, they will be very cost effective, that's why plug in electric cart to the grid is not bad idea when we have large solar, wind electric plants. So the cars can recharge their batteries when we have peak electric production from sun or wind. Charging the car from electric plants that use oil will not do much better, it should come with renewable energy plants.
Renewable energy  9/5/2008 12:40:00 AM
The latest developments in solar cells will eventually produce electric power at a competitive rate with large conventional power plants. They are a time off but will produce approx. 54% rather than the present cells at 15%.
Been there done that  9/6/2008 11:23:00 AM
Good for them. I have converted a vehicle to electric, commuting 3 years 35 miles/day WITH AC (I live in Florida). It was (and still is) a viable lead acid powered vehicle.
A bit exaggerated  9/6/2008 8:18:00 PM
Tesla Motors uses a 52 Kg 220 Kw motor for their Roadsters, thats just over 4 Kw per Kg. The Detroit Electric version is a bit better, but to claim " the best electric car in existence can only produce 0.25 kilowatts per kilogram" is waaay off! Maybe they were thinking of a petrol engine.
EV heating and cooling  9/6/2008 9:20:00 PM
For EV heating or cooling, figure about 2 Kw, used intermittently. If the EV uses 0.25 Kw per mile and has 200 mile range, the battery would store 50 Kwh, which could run the heater continuously for a full day - but the heater shuts OFF when desired temperature is reached and doesn't switch ON until it gets too cool. The ratio between time ON and time OFF would depend on the weather and insulation. If the heating/cooling is ON an average of 1/4 of the time, then in an hour of operation the battery would loose 2 miles of driving range, at freeway speeds the drive motor takes far more! Unless you are pushing the limits of the driving range, heating and cooling really isn't a significant problem. BTW, the Tesla Roadster EVs now being delivered have a 53 Kwh battery and a 220 mile range.
Power  9/9/2008 12:52:00 PM
In conjunction with any electric options coming down the pike we need additional power generation. Nuclear power plants need to be approved and built here in the U.S. to make electric viable long term.
EV cooling  9/11/2008 3:29:00 PM
My mother said that the coolest car is a convertible with the top up. Got her first car in '37. Summer is tolerable if the interior can be kept in shade. Unfortunately, current car design looks like a squashed bug, with acres of glass pointing at the sky.
Power Supply  9/11/2008 4:19:00 PM
Even if you have to burn gas, oil, or coal, it is much more efficient and cleaner to do it in a stationary power-plant where the generator is run at a steady and peak-efficiency RPM and load. That's why car MPG is higher for nice, steady freeway miles even though more energy is required to push the car along. As for charging electrics or plug-in hybrids, the major power companies have added their voice to pushing for these things. For them it means not just more power buyers but people buying power more during what were off-peak hours. They wouldn't have to throttle back power plants or shut them off at night -- basically the excess capacity they built can be used more regularly instead of sitting idle and still incuring expense. Yes, I can see there being a shift from "power" in the hands of oil companies to the utility companies but even if we're in the same boat, at least it's still better for the environment and gets us out from a lot of foreign dependence. The growth of technology to allow homes to go become "net-zero" will be there to keep the utility companies honest. We can't so easily drill, process and burn our own gas and be free of oil companies.
Renewable energy   9/11/2008 6:38:00 PM
"So the cars can recharge their batteries when we have peak electric production from sun or wind." I didn't realize that peak electric production from the sun is at night when most people would be charging their cars at home after work...
The best solution is obvious  9/11/2008 10:19:00 PM
The real solution is obvious and quite easy. We all need mini-nuclear plants in our homes & offices and mini-mini plants in vehicles. Don't pooh-pooh this - it's the best long term solution. And it's doable, safe, and provides unlimited energy. Think of all the electrical transmission wires, towers, and problems with transmitting power we WOULD NOT need! The only naysayers are the ones selling oil and the power companies. Think about it. It's gonna happen, hopefully soon, but you know what, I doubt the big companies are going to encourage it because it's too easy. Don't kid yourself, a self containted sealed plant will be safe.
1915 Baker Electric  9/22/2008 6:16:00 PM
I have just returned from an antique automobile show in Mystic, Ct. There was a 1915 Baker Electric that had completed a cross country trip. So it is possible to do with proper planning.
mini-nukes in cars???  9/26/2008 8:16:00 PM
Mini-nuclear plants in cars hurtling down the road at 75 MPH? What could possibly go wrong with that??? And I want to see the tree-huggers' reaction to that plan. Instead, how about a small electric-only vehicle for daily commuting, and a trailer with a gas-powered generator and extra luggage space. When I'm traveling to the next state, I hook up the trailer. I don't need to drag the motor/generator set back and forth to work every day. Heck, U-Haul could rent the trailers like they do today, I don't need it sitting around my house every day for the once or twice a year that I drive out of the city.


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