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California Wants UV-Reflecting Windows On Vehicles
By Samantha Young, Associated Press Writer
Manufacturing.Net - June 25, 2009

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SACRAMENTO (AP) -- California, a trendsetter and nemesis of the auto industry for decades, is at it again.

The state's air regulators on Thursday will consider a requirement for auto manufacturers to include sun-reflecting glass on all vehicles sold within the state.

The idea is to keep the cars, pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles they sell in California cooler during hot weather, reducing the amount of air conditioning their drivers and passengers need. In turn, that will improve fuel efficiency and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

"The end result of it is the customer gets a car that's more comfortable to ride in, air conditioners don't have to work as hard and the atmosphere will be happier because we won't be emitting as much carbon dioxide," said Mary Nichols, chairwoman of the California Air Resources Board.

Despite its financial troubles, the auto industry did not object to any potential cost of implementing the regulation but said it needed more time. It also petitioned the board to allow carmakers to consider exempting more fuel-efficient cars.

If regulators adopt the standard, three-quarters of passenger vehicles sold in California must have specially coated windshields that block 50 percent of the sun's heat from entering a parked car, beginning with the 2012 model year. All vehicles must have those windshields a year later.

The windows would cool a sedan's interior by an estimated 14 degrees Fahrenheit or 12 degrees for a pickup or SUV. The standard would be even higher in 2014. Some glass manufacturers told regulators they might not be able to meet that deadline.

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers also asked for more time to meet the standards. They raised concerns that reflective glass can interfere with cell phones signals, GPS navigation systems and electronic passes for toll roads.

In a joint written response to the air board, the groups did not indicate that financial troubles of the American auto companies would hinder the industry's ability to comply.

Drivers that replace windows in older cars also would have to meet the new standards.

The window mandate is among dozens of strategies pursued by the board in its effort to reduce California's greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020, the goal set by the state's 2006 global warming law.

California has been a leader for decades in setting auto standards. It was the first state to require the use of catalytic converters in 1975 as a way to reduce smog. A 2002 state law intended to force cleaner auto emissions was the reason the Obama administration implemented greater fuel-efficiency standards earlier this year.

A proposal to require so-called "cool paints" was removed from the regulation under consideration Thursday after the auto industry complained it might have to stop selling black cars in California.

The technology used by glass manufacturers to make more reflective car windows has been around for nearly 20 years, said Mukesh Rustagi, director of strategic product management at Pittsburgh Glass Works, the largest automotive glass supplier in North America.

General Motors Corp. has installed the windows in several of its minivans, including the Oldsmobile Silhouette and the Chevrolet Lumina. Both BMW and Mercedes use the windows in several of their cars, Rustagi said.

A metallic coating that blocks infrared rays is applied to glass before a window is laminated and is invisible to the naked eye. Adding reflective windows would raise the cost of a new car by about $111.

Nichols, the air board chairwoman, said drivers eventually would save money because they wouldn't use the air conditioning as much. An air conditioner can increase the fuel consumption of a vehicle by more than 20 percent, according to the board.


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Ummm  6/25/2009 11:57:00 AM
So the UV rays that bounce off these coatings are going to end up where? Adding to the heat island effect of the cars's surrounding, solving nothing. A nice idea, but completely quixotic.
Better idea  6/25/2009 12:39:00 PM
A cheap way to halve kali's carbon footprint... move all the politicians and flunkies to Fargo ND. They won't need to run any ac, car or home. Even better - ban all AC units in Kalifornia. You want reduced carbon - pay the price of the comfort you loose.
Is it UV or IR?? The AP is right on top of things.  6/25/2009 4:46:00 PM
I thought they were trying to reduce the incidence of skin cancer. But alas, after reading the article I realized the author meant IR which of course accounts for much greater heating from the sun than the UV content. I'll wager that the gasoline saved is so miniscule, you can't measure the difference using identical cars with different glass driven on the same route. Why can't these politicians let the people decide what they want? Oh, that's right, we're too stupid to know what's good for us. If it improved mileage, the manufacturers would put it in because it helps their CAFE standards. If they don't, it's a waste of money. I just open my windows before I drive off on a hot sunny day. What stupidity, what arrogance on the part of these bureaucrats.
California Wants UV-Reflecting Windows On Vehicles  6/25/2009 4:48:00 PM
These guy's should be sent back to school for some basic science courses, most of the heat comes from IR not UV.
Ummm  6/25/2009 4:49:00 PM
Just like they said. Drivers eventually would save money because they wouldn't use the air conditioning as much. Seems like a no brainer. Maybe we're finally getting a clue. Hey guess what people. The oil is going to run out one day. Then what are we going to do?
Psssst... hey buddy, wanna buy a windshield?  6/25/2009 4:51:00 PM
Hahahahaha I can expand my under-the-table sales of real detergent in Seattle and set up my black market windshield service in Crazifornia. Better idea: throw out everyone who wasn't there in 1990, then implement the 1990 state budget. Problem solved!
A Better Idea!  6/25/2009 4:52:00 PM
Why not FORCE all the Cali drivers to put window shades in their cars when parked. Then the inside won't be as hot when they start it up and can leave the A/C turned down. WAY cheaper than screwing everyone in the US. Of course, this special glass would ONLY be for the California Cars. Yeah....I believe that! Government Motors making more money and haven't even made a car yet!
Old Technology? and Old Cars?  6/25/2009 4:57:00 PM
This sounds like the "low e" glass that has been in use and mandated here for years. Having had both cars with it and without it I think using it is a great idea. Mandating it is not and just another infringement into my life. "Drivers that replace windows in older cars also would have to meet the new standards." I have a couple of old International Harvester Scouts. I wonder what the penalty will be when I don't use this glass to replace a window if one brakes. Some of the standard glass is not available without going to a custom glazer.
California Regulators  6/25/2009 4:59:00 PM
Comforting to know that those Bright Regulators who confused IR and UV in CA are the ones analyzing the complexities of supposed global warming, climate change, and making our future policies concerning global warming. NOT. They were the ones probably skipping their classes in college to go smoke some weed... Oh, that might increase their carbon footprint a few ounces...
Reflective glass  6/25/2009 5:00:00 PM
Air conditioning is either on or off. The pump runs 100% of the time and car temp is controlled by fan speed so its doubtful any fuel savings will be obtained unless the system can cycle the pump on and off after the car is cooled. I have a BMW with reflective glass and I notice very little difference in the parked car temperature from it. It does interfere with portable GPS systems unless you add an additional antenna. My carphone works great but the portable cellphone disconnects often due to poor reception.
Which is Stupid  6/25/2009 5:01:00 PM
Re: IR or UV. IR heats the glass, a small part of the energy UV does go thru. So that is stupid. Re: Americans being to stupid, well who got elected.
Economy in the Dumper  6/25/2009 5:08:00 PM
Just what CA needs, another pie in the sky mandate that will cost people millions. You would think that someone would start to notice that their economy is in the dumper due to all of their mandates.
UV is NOT IR-- and most energy comes from the visable band  6/25/2009 5:18:00 PM
Not sure where this is going, form this poorly checked article. But note that high-end vehicles already have this stuff. CA just keeps making it harder for the working stiffs to afford living there. A friend of mine who lives there AND STILL HAS HIS JOB, is losing his house because the values fell, he has negative equity, and nothing to borrow against to cover horrendous medical bills. The wealthy Hollywood types, of course, will all be just fine.
Window Dressing from Kali  6/25/2009 5:33:00 PM
Hey, Ummmm, guess what sweetheart; As the oil runs out, costs will drive the market to do what is preferable to the market!!! In other words, actions like this window coating is nothing more than a political feel good exercise; it has nothing to do with science, logic, or market demand!!! Remember these are the same fools that said MTBE would clear the air (recall that Sacramento didn't look at the science underground). Sorry, this is just more of the same BS from a bunch of arrogant buffoons. What next? Outlaw black cars? Ooppps, gave 'em another idea!?!?
Re: Ummm  6/25/2009 5:44:00 PM
As you thought - there is no net reduction for the environment from the 'UV' reflection - I HOPE they really meant IR and there was sloppy reporting/politicing. Where the reduction in heating would be is in the efficiency gains form not needing to burn fuel to cool. Remember that a car engine is only about 30% efficient, so if it take 300 watts to run the AC, you're burning 1000 watts worth of fuel.
UV Windows  6/25/2009 5:53:00 PM
I can't believe how ignorant the California politicians are! Do they really think that on a 90 degree day in the middle of LA, people are going to turn off the AC because they have tinted windows?! By that logic, no one should be turning on the car's AC at night, since there is no sunlight!!! People turn on the AC because of the outside temperature, not how much sunlight is entering the car.
Duhhhhh  6/25/2009 5:58:00 PM
my air conditioner goes on when I get in the car and stays on until I get to where I'm going. keeping the interior temperature limited to only 135 deg instead of 150 when I get in it isn't going to reduce the amount of a/c I use.
UV-joke  6/25/2009 6:06:00 PM
Most of you folks mistake California laws as stupid science.....it's about Progressives making stupid laws for control of people and enlarging government control or Statism....which openly looks like stupidity and lack of common sense which of course you all would be right....again.....
Why do we need to legislate common sense.  6/26/2009 8:25:00 AM
Anyone who has walked out to a car that has been sitting in the sun all day and who has seen the difference after- market window tints has on the heat accumulation would know that this is a good idea. Why is it that it takes legal action to get the manufacturers to provide this simple and economical benefit ? I do have to agree with one of the writers though, that the difference while running down the road may not be very large. There are many reasons to use AC while driving: reduce the smog, keep out bad smells, let everyone else know you can afford A/C and the extra gas to run it ...
Leave while you can...  6/26/2009 8:48:00 AM
California continues to lead the way in demostrating the costs of socialism. Low end cars will increase further in cost (with no real payback, that 20% figure is a complete fabrication and implies that AC in a vehicle consumes 1/5 of an engines cruising power 100% of the time. In fact on most vehicles AC is cheaper to operate than driving with windows down). Luxury cars already have this feature, and the consumer gets to make the choice. Leave California while you can, and unfortunately, if the rest of the country continues to follow, we may need to leave it as well.
hey Better Idea  6/26/2009 12:31:00 PM
we do not want or need these idiots anywhere in North Dakota we already have some of the cleanest air in the nation and we pride ourselves on the weather keeping the riff raff out. of course they would only last one winter anyway and we would find them all after the snow went away in the spring
Re: leave while you can  6/29/2009 11:22:00 PM
You're right about the windows down/vs a/c on and windows up. I have, along with my co-workers, done considerable research and experimentation on this subject, and found that at highway speeds, windows down used more fuel than windows up snd a/c on. It is that way across our product line, although to varying degree. I haven't examined a BMW, but our products, like other American cars, use a cycling clutch on the a/c compressor, which runs it as needed, and likewise with the condenser/radiator fans on transverse engines...they only come on when needed. The one factor I find nobody mentioning is the vast amount of hot air...actually a lot of it is carbon dioxide...that politicians generate all day, every day. IR reducing tinted windows are nice, and do help, but buying a white or silver car makes a whole lot more difference.
Oven effect  7/2/2009 1:10:00 AM
When moving, car air ventilation systems allow some fresh-air mixing with a/c, largely canceling convection air super-heating effects of interior IR, except for direct radiation heating on exposed human tissue. When sitting, a car needs only a venting system (or slightly open window) to remove hot air rising within the interior. This is now done in some vehicles, but is a low-cost no-brainer for the remainder. UV shortwaves, which are damaging to skin and eye tissue, cannot pass through glass.


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