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Auto Industry Bailout Hopes Dim
By Stephen Ohlemacher and Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press Writer
Manufacturing.Net - November 17, 2008

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Prospects dimmed Monday for enactment of a $25 billion bailout for the faltering auto industry before year's end, as congressional Democrats and the Bush administration headed for a stalemate over the plan.

Help for Detroit's Big Three, which have been battered by the economic meltdown that has choked their sales and frozen credit, is falling victim to a partisan fight over where the money should come from.

Senate Democrats said they would press ahead with their plan to carve out a portion of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout to pay for the loans, but several aides in both parties and lobbyists closely tracking the plan acknowledged they do not currently have the votes to do so. They spoke on condition of anonymity because conversations about the still-unwritten auto bailout bill are private.

The White House and congressional Republicans insist that the automaker bailout money instead come from redirecting a $25 billion loan program approved by Congress in September to help the industry develop more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he would hold a test vote this week on a broad economic aid plan -- including spending on public works projects, aid to cash-strapped states, an extension of jobless aid, and the carmaker loans -- that most now concede has virtually no chance of passing.

If that fails, he will seek a vote on the auto industry bailout and the unemployment benefits, Reid said. It could come as early as Wednesday.

"If we move forward, we can protect and create American jobs, help working families and prevent our economy from falling even further into recession," Reid said as he opened a postelection session. "I ask my colleagues to show the American people that in the face of tremendous economic pain and uncertainty, we will not wait until January."

The White House, meanwhile, took pains to clarify its position on the bailout, saying the administration "does not want U.S. automakers to fail." Press secretary Dana Perino complained that reporting on the White House's statements on this issue has involved "attempts to shorthand the administration's position."

Perino's statement also made clear, however, that the administration steadfastly opposes drawing funds from the bailout plan to help Detroit. The White House opposes the idea of automakers getting an additional $25 billion.

The debate in Washington comes as the financial situation for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC grows more difficult.

"There's a high degree of urgency" for federal action if GM is going to stave off a financial crisis, Rick Wagoner, GM chairman and chief executive, said Sunday in a joint appearance with United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger on WDIV-TV in Detroit.

In her statement Monday, Perino said, "The auto industry is an important part of our manufacturing base, and we want the industry to succeed and compete in the global economy." But she also said that media reports have erroneously depicted the administration as taking too harsh a stand on financial relief.

"We believe this assistance should come from the program created by Congress that was specifically designed to assist the automakers -- from the $25 billion Department of Energy loan program," Perino said.

She said the $700 billion rescue program "was never intended by Congress to assist automakers or other sectors of the economy. It was solely intended to deal with what is an ongoing credit crisis in our financial sector." Perino also said that any new legislative effort to help the big carmakers should require that those manufacturers are viable companies, ones willing to restructure themselves for the long term.

President-elect Barack Obama said he believes aid for the auto industry is needed but that it should be provided as part of a long-term plan -- not simply as a blank check.

"For the auto industry to completely collapse would be a disaster in this kind of environment," Obama said in a "60 Minutes" interview aired Sunday night on CBS. "So my hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all of the stakeholders coming together with a plan -- what does a sustainable U.S. auto industry look like?"


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Auto Industry bailout  11/17/2008 4:46:00 PM
Instead of giving money to the big three, some of which is allocated to go to the failing auto worker pension and medical care funds, why not give it to the consumer as a rebate to promote the purchase a new car. If the root of the problem is slumping auto sales, do something to encourage sales, not pour tax dollars down a bottomless pit of union greed and management mistakes.
My impression  11/17/2008 4:48:00 PM
A real tragedy is that if automotive industry dies , so do thousands of suppliers and WHOLE INDUSTRIES all the way to foundries and coal mining.It is NOT a matter of big three.It's a matter of a domino effect and huge tragic ripple that it will have on the economy of our whole country. Being shortsighted is a bad thing , especially if you are a glorious senator....maybe a bit too old to understand?
So THAT's What They Call It  11/17/2008 4:56:00 PM
Public Works Projects = PORK. Aid to cash-strapped states = GOVERNMENT FISCAL MISMANAGEMENT. Aid to the Big 3 = BAILOUT OF UNIONS AND POOR MANAGEMENT. Is there any way our government has NOT thought of to give the everyday consumer and taxpayer the short end of the stick? Harry Reid should be thrown out of the Senate for the thievery he is advocating.
Auto Bailout  11/17/2008 5:00:00 PM
Why not give it to the consumer as a rebate to promote the purchase a new car. Because this does nothing to correct the business model of the big three.
Hurry hurry get your bail outs....  11/17/2008 5:30:00 PM
Hurry and get your bail outs, while the American tax payer has their job to pay for it. How about a bail out for the American Middle Class? If they bail out the auto industry, the are sending the wrong message to our industries. But on the other hand, think about this, if we loose our ability to produce our own cars, in times of war, we will not be able to produce war machines and we will be run over by any government that wants to take us over. Airbus is going to build our tankers, the Chinese make own ammunition, what is next? Something to think about. Maybe we should just get rid of the stinking corrupt unions that ran these great companies into the ground and we will all be better off. We all win, then we can work on getting rid of the corrupt politicians like Harry Reid and others like him so that we can start America moving again to be the great country that it is.
Bailout  11/17/2008 5:34:00 PM
Most of the bailout money will go to legacy benefits.. people who have left the auto industry and retired. You can blame whomever you want unions, management), but the business model doesn't work and the auto industry must restructure if they are going to survive. The best thing that can happen is chapter 11, as all contracts are dissolved, and the auto industry and can face the future without the burdens they currently face of a $70 + per hour burdened labor rate. This is the only way they can survive.
AUTO BAILOUT  11/17/2008 5:40:00 PM
Why should the auto industry get any kind of bailout when they are responsible for most of our countries problems? They told their suppliers in this country in the early 2000's that they would no longer purchase consumables from anything but low cost countries. The United States is not considered a low cost country. They continue to move out of the country and will no longer dance with the one that brought them to the dance. So I say screw them and the horse they rode in on. I drive a Nissan built in Tennessee at over $30.00 less than per hour to build that a Ford, Chevy or Dodge. Thanks United Autoworkers, Your greed knocked us right out of competition.
Where to spend  11/17/2008 5:41:00 PM
Hello. Now tell me HOW is it different that the money be given to individuals so they can spend ... and the markets revives. We see such a fuss over $100B for the public, but nary a peep about $1T for the corporations ... give me $300 I will probably 'save it'. Give me $3000 if I spend it, BUT make it taxable IF I dont spend it. You will see a surge in spending. BAD management MUST be allowed to pass on ... just like BAD LEADERS.
GOP Senator Shelby  11/17/2008 5:41:00 PM
Small wonder Senator Richard Shelby (R) of Alabama thinks it’s just fine if the big three go belly up. Alabama's three major automotive manufacturers are Mercedes-Benz, Honda and Hyundai
NO $$ for Union or Big wigs  11/17/2008 5:42:00 PM
I'm sure there is union members and CEO's figuring out how they get there hands on the bailout money for their pockets. When is government handouts to companies that can't make money due to bad management going to end. If these CEO's and upper management would have made better decisions years ago they might not be in this position. If the bailout goes through it is still only matter of time before it happens again. It is already to late to save them and if they do get it someone will line their pockets with the money anyway and us taxpayers will be stuck with the bill again.
Auto bailout  11/17/2008 5:51:00 PM
The Big 3 are on life support because of the UAW. They can't make small cars because the lose money against Toyota, Honda, etc who build here but pay wages that are 2/3 or 1/2 UAW rates. The bailout is a bailout of the UAW workers who caused the problem. Forget that.
Auto bailout  11/17/2008 6:02:00 PM
A bailout for the auto industry will only prolong the inevitable. The executives and unions have been complicit in a failed business model. I recently rented a car made by one of the big three. It was a high end vehicle, by their standards. It reminded me, however, why I have not purchased an car from one of the Big Three US auto companies in 15 years.
Auto Bailout  11/17/2008 6:20:00 PM
I am strongly against bailing out US car industry But if it is done, then management & workers & corporations' M.O. MUST be drastically reorganized. One of the absolute contin-gencies nust be that the top management mustbe jettisoned and w/o any golden para-chutes!! The top people of the US Auto Industry have watched for 35 years w/ their heads up their ___, as Japan auto makers 1) read the market, invented improvements thruout their cars (I get 250,000 trouble-free miles frm my Camrys.). Instead of designing the 35-40 mpg autos as the Japs have done, Detroit gave us the 8 mpg Hummer. In the '90s GM developed an advanced, workable electric hybrid, sold a few, but then somebody recalled all, destroyed them & the blueprints for making them. If you use my $ to bail out the big 3, then their top management MUST go --and especially the guy&team who tanked their 90s electric car. Get some Jack Welch (former GE)type people & install them as top managers in place of these near-sighted, gutless, incestuous bums who have driven this industry into the ground.
Bailout or Loan?  11/17/2008 7:15:00 PM
Yeah Don't give them a bailout. MAKE IT A LOAN!!! That way they PAY IT BACK with INTEREST!!!! NO FREE MONEY!!!
Why Worry?  11/17/2008 7:26:00 PM
Obama said Free Healthcare,Free Clothes,Free Homes and Gas witha ll that Who needs a Job?? Y'all just relax the Man will be in office shortly and you're gonna LOVE IT!!!
Bailout  11/17/2008 11:09:00 PM
This is a bunch of crap, poor management and union greed. Bail out will last about 10 to 12 weeks, and not increase sales. Put the money into rebuilding our roads, and other real jobs that will give people jobs and they will buy cars. We sure don't want the government buying all the cars they can make. Let the car industry go bank rupt and then kick out the unions or get reasonable agreements.
Remove the union and current management  11/18/2008 7:22:00 AM
The only way to fix the problem is to remove the union and the current management in the big 3. The senate and house should talk to non union manufacturing companies that are having bad times or have had bad times. A lot of which are suppliers to the big 3. During hard times wages are cut from the top down, hours are cut, benefits are slashed. These are things that no one wants but in hard times must be done to stay in business. Actually, the government could set a good example by doing the same thing!
Auto Bailout  11/18/2008 8:29:00 AM
Does anyone remember Iococca? Where are the "leaders" of the auto industry? Why should the taxpayers pay for the autos we buy and then bailout the industry due to mismanagement? This sounds like we are paying twice for a product that depreciates. This does not make good money sense. But what does make good money sense nowadays.
Bailout or a BIG SALE  11/18/2008 9:29:00 AM
With all those vehicles on dealer's lots why only Ford does a deep discounting of cars? How aboyt 50% off sale - I MEAN IT.If you go out od business isn't it better to sell your assets(cars) and save a company.It is a write-off anyhow.As far as unions , they should go - no need for them. Workers should not have engineers' wages anyhow.It got a bit out of hand. So I propose a Fire Sale - ALL big three cars 50% OFF! There must be many billions of dollars on those parking lots!!!
Auto Bailout  11/18/2008 9:38:00 AM
GM is not asking for a bailout. They need a loan. Put restrictions on the loan that fix some of the union problems and legacy costs. We cannot afford the cost of letting them fail.
bailout blame  11/18/2008 9:40:00 AM
It must be Bush's fault
Bad business = bailout?  11/18/2008 11:16:00 AM
Why reward poor business? Giving money to the big 3 will destroy small start-up companies' chances of making a dent in the auto market. Why not give this money to innovating companies, who actually have a future?!
Is $25B Enough?  11/18/2008 5:57:00 PM
Really now, at the burn-rate that the Big 3 are going through money now, does anyone really believe that $25B is enough to help bolster their businesses? Unless fundamental issues are resolved, like those mentioned from the other commentors, nothing will change and the Big 3 will still run out of money. At least it will be on the new presidents watch.
GOP Senator Shelby and Alabama  11/19/2008 8:52:00 AM
One thing you forgot, NO UAW! We should all be so lucky.
"There's a high degree of urgency" for federal action  11/19/2008 9:13:00 AM
With this statement Dick Wagoner is admitting that he has failed at his job and should be immediately canned (no bonus, no severance and he should give back a percentage of his ill-gotten pay). The president should place the the company in control of a conservator and make an emergency no-strike decree (this would address the national security issues that a lot of the doom and gloomers are raising). Then the conservator should announce a 25% temporary pay cut for all employees to last until the company can stand on its own or it fails, whichever comes first. Then the justice department should investigate the heads of the Big Three and Gettelfinger under the RICO act. It is obvious that as long as this bunch of fools have been working together that they have been cooperating to drive the price of their vehicles up and have run a program (Buy American) in an attempt to extort money from the American consumer (read collusion).
$25B Auto Bailout with $5000 instant rebate purchase  11/19/2008 1:31:00 PM
We should spend $25 Billion for US consumers instant rebate of $5,000 to buy fuel efficient cars (>30MPG). That would create an incentive for consumers and give Automakers enough production volume ( 5 Million cars) to survive instead of putting that money into a drain for layoff and downsize. It is simple, quick and effective.
$25B vs. $250B  11/19/2008 5:12:00 PM
Since $250B ( just so far ) hasn't re-started Wall Street, what kind of a fool would actually believe that a "mere" $25B would re-start big3 ???!?
LOANS  11/19/2008 7:45:00 PM
Why don't we prop up the Big Three like the Japanese do to their Automakers?
Loans  11/19/2008 7:59:00 PM
Just finished reading the labor agreements. REALLY disspells all the outlandish claims against the Unions that I have read!! WOW I was REALLY SURPRISED TO GET THE FACTS!! Not at all like some of you have been writng about...You may want to read it after I did some of your posts are really un-informed and misleading.
LOANS   11/19/2008 8:56:00 PM
General Motors, Ford and Chrysler account for roughly 70 percent of U.S. auto production and support 5 million jobs across all 50 states. The U.S. auto industry represents almost 4 percent of U.S. gross domestic product and 20 percent of all U.S. retail sales. The three domestic automakers spend a combined $12 billion annually on research and development. These last years have seen the domestic automakers and their workers pursue an unprecedented restructuring and cost-cutting. Recent UAW contract negotiations have resulted in wage and benefit cuts and the transfer of healthcare obligations from the companies to an independent fund. Each company has made important strides with respect to product quality, fuel efficiency, and advanced technology vehicles. Ford has tied Toyota and Honda in quality, according to Consumer Reports. GM offers twice as many cars at 30 miles per gallon than its nearest competitor. GM’s Chevy Volt changes the rules of the game as a pure electric and zero-emissions vehicle, and Chrysler unveiled three new production-intent advanced technology electric-drive vehicles in September
Auto Company Bailout  12/3/2008 9:30:00 AM
Politicians proposing to STEAL MONEY from hard working honest Americans, and other American Businesses that made wise and frugal management decisions, in order to "bailout" an industry that has been BLOATED BY GREED AND MISMANAGEMENT FOR YEARS is beyond Ludicrous. They are obviously PANDERING for Union votes, and should be booted from office ASAP. Let Detroit file Bankruptcy and proceed to suffer the consequences and make it work, like millions of us would have to.


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